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To: samim anbarcioglu who wrote (4984)	5/25/2000 6:13:00 AM
From: Mika Kukkanen	Read Replies (4) \| Respond to of 34857

OT Sam: Do you work for them? I can only think that you misread my post. As you would know, QoS in the carrier market (carrier class, toll quality) is something unheard of from those coming from the IP arena. Marrying the two has been the goal of most main vendors over the last few years. Some companies, Nortel being one, have over hyped IP as the saviour - well proof will come over the next couple of years. Carriers, service providers and operators want reliability foremost. Ericsson is seen as probably the most boring vendor, but hey the kit works, its dominance in the wireless market proves a point doesn't it? Nortel have done much over the years, however when it comes to vendors I see them at the back of the pack. They may well break through again. My opinions may not be liked, but by all means convince me otherwise (as this is OT for the Nokia thread, then contact by PM) - I might even write about them positively in a future article. All the best, M

To: samim anbarcioglu who wrote (4984)	5/25/2000 8:19:00 AM
From: Mr.Fun	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 34857

Sam, As per your post(in quotes): 1. It appears clear to me that Mika was not specifically criticising Nortel's adherence to ITU standards, but rather the fact that the standards for IP do not yet include adequate provisions for quality of service - and yes that includes MPLS. This is proving to be a real waterloo for the everything converges to IP crowd. His suggestion that companies that have been hyping IP for everything, including mobile voice, may not be able to deliver on their promises. While Nortel has been amongst those companies hyping IP telephony, they are experienced enough to be pragmatic in practice. 2. Please be sure you actually understand the content of a post before you insult the poster. "Quality of Service QoS is a technical term, the delivery of which is easily quantifiable by technical ITU standards and criteria in each field of service. Nortel conforms and complies or exceeds with all the QoS standards in every product line they sell. Are you suggesting in any form or manner that Nortel does not do this? If your knowledge in these technical matters does not extend as far it should before you make a statement like that, please apply better control on what you post. Not at all amused with ignorance or disrespect for a corporation that has done more for the world than obviously you are aware of. Sam A."