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Politics : About that Cuban boy, Elian -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: average joe who wrote (6444)	5/27/2000 2:31:00 PM
From: epicure	Respond to of 9127

WHERE IS MY PREVIOUS SEXIST POST????? I KEEP ASKING. COULD IT BE....THERE WASN'T ONE??????????? LIAR They often cut off the clitoris and the labia majora and minora- if you'd like to be "circumcised" in that manner (having your penis cut off) I think you are nuts. I wouldn't DENY them the right to DO it in THEIR country(AS I SAID- MOM SHOULD BE FREE TO RETURN AND DO THIS TO HER DAUGHTER- SAID THIS IN THE POST YOU ARE RESPONDING TO- BUT YOU CAN'T READ)- for example I think if mother wants to return to Mali with her daughter (if daughter is not old enough to ask for asylum) she has the international right to DO that(SEE, I SAID IT AGAIN. I also think you do not understand how this practice is carried out. It is done by midwife types and these people are not the equivalent of medical people. It hasn't been driven underground there- that's just the way they do it and it IS dangerous. But I agree with you that you don't want to drive things underground- that's why I am and always will be pro-choice. I suggest you educate yourself on this issue before you try to discuss it.

To: average joe who wrote (6444)	5/27/2000 2:43:00 PM
From: Rambi	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 9127

To deny them the right to practice their culture safely is both racist and sexist. Anytime YOU PEOPLE drive something underground...etc I am hoping- really seriously hoping that this post is merely an ill-advised attempt to somehow irritate X (and ignorance is certainly one way to do this). Before you write something like this, you should try to do some research so that you don't sound so totally off-the-wall. This practice has NOT become dangerous because it was driven underground by anyone. It has been practiced in the same way for generations among tribes. It is nothing , NOTHING, like male circumcision. There is nothing safe about this procedure- it is both physically and psychologically horrific; the consequences of it are serious and longterm. Very few can afford to have it done under hygienic conditions or under medical supervision and it is most often done without anesthesia of any sort. Testimony "I was genitally mutilated at the age of ten. I was told by my late grandmother that they were taking me down to the river to perform a certain ceremony, and afterwards I would be given a lot of food to eat. As an innocent child, I was led like a sheep to be slaughtered. Once I entered the secret bush, I was taken to a very dark room and undressed. I was blindfolded and stripped naked. I was then carried by two strong women to the site for the operation. I was forced to lie flat on my back by four strong women, two holding tight to each leg. Another woman sat on my chest to prevent my upper body from moving. A piece of cloth was forced in my mouth to stop me screaming. I was then shaved. When the operation began, I put up a big fight. The pain was terrible and unbearable. During this fight, I was badly cut and lost blood. All those who took part in the operation were half-drunk with alcohol. Others were dancing and singing, and worst of all, had stripped naked. I was genitally mutilated with a blunt penknife. After the operation, no one was allowed to aid me to walk. The stuff they put on my wound stank and was painful. These were terrible times for me. Each time I wanted to urinate, I was forced to stand upright. The urine would spread over the wound and would cause fresh pain all over again. Sometimes I had to force myself not to urinate for fear of the terrible pain. I was not given any anaesthetic in the operation to reduce my pain, nor any antibiotics to fight against infection. Afterwards, I haemorrhaged and became anaemic. This was attributed to witchcraft. I suffered for a long time from acute vaginal infections." Hannah Koroma, Sierra Leone