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To: haqihana who wrote (80266)	5/30/2000 2:29:00 PM
From: epicure	Respond to of 108807

>X, A humanist is one who places himself above all other entities in the universe. Kind of smug in my opinion. I know what self respect, and self esteem is, and agree that all humans should have them. After years of doubt, I also have them, but humanism considers humans to be the supreme beings of the universe, and I disagree with that, as a number of humanists now do, after facing a real crisis, or tragedy in their lives. I have known those that REALLY go with the devil. I, at a dark period of my life, lived among them. That is why I can recognize them with such certainty. I won't be back, so no need to respond. ~H~< On the way out the door grab yourself a dictionary: Humanism: 1.a: a devotion to the humanities: literary culture b: the revival of classical letters, individualistic and critical spirit, and emphasis on secular concerns characteristic of the Renaissance 2:HUMANITARIANISM 3:a doctrine, attitude, or way of life centered on human interests or values; esp: a philosophy that usu. rejects supernaturalism and stresses an individual's dignity and worth and capacity for self realization through REASON. I know how much you like the dictionary. I don't see anything about placing oneself above everything else in the universe. I think you made that up yourself, so of course I can't accept YOUR definition.

To: haqihana who wrote (80266)	5/30/2000 5:25:00 PM
From: Neocon	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 108807

Humanism actually is one of those slippery terms that can be vexatious in conversation. For example, Erasmus and Thomas More were Christian humanists, convinced that we had a great deal to learn from the ancients, and that human life on this earth could be improved, but themselves devout. Some Renaissance humanists were atheists or pagan, not all. However, there is a 20th century phenomenon called secular humanism that you might have in mind, which is atheistic, and takes the view that human beings are very malleable and that human society can be perfected through rational planning and technological application, without reference to ultimate ends. The dystopian version of secular humanism is portrayed in Aldous Huxley's "Brave New World", although secular humanists would say that they do not mean anything like that, but are committed to democracy and human rights.....