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Politics : About that Cuban boy, Elian -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Dayuhan who wrote (6722)	5/31/2000 12:13:00 AM
From: The Barracuda™	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 9127

You have no idea what you are talking about. Additionally, you are unfocused. Unfocused exhibit one No, our ranchers shoot them as they arrive, or the INS tosses them back. Do you think people care who deprives them of the right to vote with their feet? The point is that they haven't got it. Your comment has nothing to do with the villainy of other countries governments, the topic of my post. As Perry Mason would say, "your statement is incompetent, irrelevant and immaterial." You are confused exhibit 2 because the state sustains a pre-existing system of property distribution, wherein an appallingly inefficient 10% or less of the population controls 90% of the property. The 10% is immune from prosecution, making it possible for them to use extralegal means to protect themselves from economic, social, and political competition You think you are making a point that disputes me-it doesn't

To: Dayuhan who wrote (6722)	5/31/2000 1:02:00 AM
From: Master (Hijacked)	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 9127

Steven, correct me if I am wrong. The feudalism that exists in the Philippines today (and several other countries around the world) is the same feudalism which existed in Cuba. A handful of families had total control over the population on the island. Corruption was rampant and justice for the little guy against one of the Lords was non-existent. The families controlled government, military and the police. Any trouble maker was dealt with swiftly. Many of us here may not like Castro as a man and may not like what he stands for. But the fact of the matter is that Castro is a result of the desperation of people living in that type of corruption. This is the same scenario faced by the communists in Russia at the turn of the century. They too lived in a corrupt society for generations of Czars. Just imagine living in a country where the whole system, including the police, the military, the politicians and the justice system is corrupt. Where do you turn to for help? You are forced to work like a slave and barely survive while the handful of Lords live in extravagance. (Remember Imelda Marcos and her 5000 pair of shoes...). Communism is a temporary solution for these people as there is no alternative. After ridding itself of the scavenging elite class, communism matures into a more democratic system with its citizens having been given chance to a fresh start. Vince

To: Dayuhan who wrote (6722)	5/31/2000 5:27:00 PM
From: marcos	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 9127

That is not fascism, it is feudalism. Feudalism prevails throughout much of Latin America, often with American assistance, and is every bit as much an enemy of freedom and democracy as Communism. Amen ... clearly you have experienced this and a few others present have not. There's just no better word to describe it than 'feudalism' ... it certainly has nothing to do with the ideals of 'free enterprise' as presented by the narrowly anti-communist types ... an example, from the relatively free country of M‚xico - a friend of mine operates a cantina, and is a member of an informal group of cantineros from his region. About seven years ago they were interested in setting up a mini-brewery, they even had a retired austrian Braumeister who has a winter home in the area to supervise it. Financing would have been no problem, they had considerable local support for permitting, etc [of a building one member already owned] ... But they were informed in no uncertain terms that they would be heavily regulated [and taxed, but they knew about the taxes in advance] ... regulated well beyond anything reasonable - they would have had to pay full costs of constant ministry supervision of the operation ... this was stated one-on-one to two of them in such a way as to discourage them from even thinking about it, with more than a hint of a threat ... there are only three firms in the country which brew beer, and they are powerful [they're also not regulated quite like that] ... this happens in possible the most free major latino country, and is not likely much better today, imho ... and this Fox won't likely change it completely either, even if he actually tries ... it's in the culture, ingrained [along with an urge to fight it - a dichotomy i can only observe, not explain].