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To: Jeffrey S. Mitchell who wrote (298)6/3/2000 1:36:00 AM
From: Jeffrey S. Mitchell  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 12465
 
Re: 5/26/00 - Frequently Asked Questions in the Anonymous Speech Case

Frequently Asked Questions in the Anonymous Speech Case

What is a subpoena?

A subpoena can take the form of a number of different court-ordered or court-authorized documents. Commonly, a subpoena refers to a court order which is commonly issued at the request of one of the parties to a lawsuit in order to compel the appearance of a particular witness at a judicial proceeding or trial. Subpoenas also are commonly issued by courts to force someone who has under his or her control documents relevant to the controversy to bring such items to the court or one of the involved parties. These types of subpoenas are referred to as subpoenas duces tecum . Here, the plaintiff served a number of subpoenas on Yahoo! and AOL in an effort to determine the identity of various third parties who posted information about him on the Internet.

What does amicus curiae mean?

Amicus curiae is Latin for "friend of the court." More specifically, amicus curiae refers to a qualified person who is not a party to a particular legal action but who gives information to the court on a question of law. One function of an amicus curiae is to call attention to some information that might escape the court's attention. An amicus curiae brief is one submitted by someone who is not a party to a lawsuit which is intended to give the court information needed to make a proper decision, or to urge a particular result on behalf of the public interest or of a private interest of third parties who will be affected by the resolution of the dispute. Here, the ACLU filed an amicus brief because of the constitutional issues implicated in the case and contends that the identity of someone who has anonymously posted information on the Internet should only be revealed when necessary.

What kinds of anonymous speech are protected on the Internet?

The First Amendment protects anonymous speech in all media, and as the ACLU maintains, anonymous speech on the Internet enjoys the same if not greater protection than in other contexts. While anonymous speech which is not defamatory is protected by the First Amendment, not all types of anonymous speech are necessarily protected. The same legal parameters which govern the level of constitutional protection to be afforded to "speech" in newspapers and on radio and television apply uniformly to speech which appears on the Internet. Thus, speech which is obscene, or which would and is intended to incite people to imminently commit a crime?whether it be anonymous or not?would fall outside of the First Amendment's reach and would not ordinarily receive constitutional protection.

Since the Internet is generally accessible anywhere in the world, why wouldn't it be proper for any county or state court to hear and determine a case like Mr. Hvide's?

Because issues relating to jurisdiction in Internet cases are of relatively recent origin, there is not yet a wealth of case law which has completely outlined the parameters of when jurisdiction is and is not proper. However, long before the Internet was ever created, the United States Supreme Court explained that the mere act of placing a physical product into the "stream of commerce," which stretches across the country, is insufficient to tie an individual or company to a particular state for purposes of jurisdiction. Therefore, without a purposeful act connecting someone to what is commonly referred to as a "forum state," a court in that state is without power and authority to hear any dispute that may arise.

Similarly, recent cases in both the state and federal courts have affirmed this same principle in the context of Internet-based disputes. That is to say, while the creation of a web site may be similar to placing a product into the stream of commerce?and thus be felt nationwide?without more, this is not an act purposefully directed toward the locale in question. Therefore, jurisdiction is not proper where the requisite "minimum contacts" do not exist. For example, simply because someone created a web site which is accessible in Miami-Dade County, Florida does not, by virtue of this one act, make jurisdiction proper in a Miami-Dade County Court. In order for jurisdiction to be proper in Miami-Dade County, there would need to be some additional, purposeful connection to some event in Miami-Dade County, such as where a company intended to sell products in Miami-Dade County and conduct its operations in the city of Miami.

What is the difference between an Internet Service Provider (ISP) such as AOL, and an Internet-based company like Yahoo!?

Internet Service Providers, like AOL, Prodigy, Earthlink, and Mindspring, are companies who, for a fee, provide dial-up access to the Internet for its customers. So, for example, if someone wanted to gain access to the Internet, they could purchase an AOL account for an hourly or monthly fee, and AOL would then provide them with a list of phone numbers on which they could access the Internet via computer modem. Most ISPs, like AOL and Earthlink, provide various other on-line services for their customers?e-mail, news, entertainment, etc.?but the main service that a customer is purchasing from an ISP is access to the Internet. Once someone purchases an AOL account, they can then hook-up to the Internet through AOL's network and additionally access the World Wide Web.

In contrast, an Internet-based, or Web-based, company such as Yahoo! Inc. is a company who maintains a website on the Internet which is generally accessible to the public at no charge. Companies such as Yahoo! generate the majority of its revenue through the sale of advertising space on its website to a number of different advertisers, as opposed to ISPs like AOL who generate a substantial amount of revenue from the access fees which its subscribers pay. While there may be certain features or services available on Yahoo!'s website, and other similar websites, which can require some payment, the distinguishing feature between a Web-based company and an ISP is that web-based companies generally don't maintain the physical networks and telephone lines through which people's modems actually dial into.

ACLU of Florida 3000 Biscayne Blvd. Suite 215
Miami, FL 33137 (305) 576-2336
General ACLU e-mail: aclufl@aclufl.org
Do not send e-mail about cases to the general ACLU e-mail.

aclufl.org

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Plaintiffs, Defendants
and Attorneys Involved

Plaintiff

Eric Hvide

Lawyers for the Plaintiff

Bruce D. Fischman, Fischman, Harvey & Dutton, P.A., Miami, FL

Defendants

John Does 1-8, including "justthefactsjack"

Lawyer for the Defendants

Christopher Leigh, Esq. ? English, McCaughan & O'Bryan, Fort Lauderdale, FL

Amicus Curiae

Lyrissa Lidsky - Associate Professor, University of Florida College of Law, Gainesville, FL

The American Civil Liberties Union Foundation: Christopher A. Hansen, Esq. - ACLU Foundation, New York, NY; Ann Beeson, Esq. - ACLU Foundation, New York, NY; Andrew H. Kayton, Esq. - ACLU Foundation of Florida, Miami, FL)

ACLU of Florida 3000 Biscayne Blvd. Suite 215
Miami, FL 33137 (305) 576-2336
General ACLU e-mail: aclufl@aclufl.org
Do not send e-mail about cases to the general ACLU e-mail.

aclufl.org



To: Jeffrey S. Mitchell who wrote (298)6/3/2000 8:01:00 PM
From: StockDung  Respond to of 12465
 
Thank You->"The plaintiff in this case, for example, could have easily gone onto the bulletin board where the allegedly false statements were originally posted and simply responded by correcting what he believed to be inaccurate information. The ACLU maintains that the existence of this "self-help remedy" suggests that courts must exercise caution in evaluating a plaintiff's allegations that a defamatory posting caused him harm because unlike other mediums of communication, the Internet provides an immediate right to reply to any potentially defamatory statement. Thus, the ACLU asserts that if speakers were to face liability for casual remarks made on Internet bulletin boards, they are likely to refrain from speaking entirely or to avoid any speech that might risk liability. In short, the possibility of chilling vigorous public discussion on the Internet by virtue of hasty court action could quickly become reality."

Message 13822306
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Posted on ragingbull ziasun message board by Anthony L. Tobin President and CEO of Ziasun at the time.

By: PresCEO
Reply To: None Sunday, 28 Mar 1999 at 12:47 AM EST
Post # of 5734

ZIASUN TO INVESTIGATE

Steven Rogers is an employee of Momentum Asia Inc, a wholly-owned subsidiary of ZiaSun Technologies Inc (ZSUN).

Mr Roger's responsibilities include, among other things, monitoring message boards, like Raging Bull, and correcting any inaccuracies or misinformation about ZiaSun and any of its subsidiaries.

We will be looking carefully at Mr Roger's recent activities on Raging Bull to ascertain whether he has overstepped his brief, and (if deemed necessary) take appropriate action.

ZiaSun is a serious company with a great future, which we do not want jeopardized.

I am not a regular follower of this message board. Too busy working on a number of exciting projects about to be launched and/or expanded!

But, I would be happy to answer any questions by e-mail.

Anthony L Tobin
President and CEO
ZiaSun Technologies Inc
atobin@ziasun.com
www.ziasun.com
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Message 3580788
To: Robert Schling (0 )
From: Steven Rogers (Trial Member) Tuesday, Mar 3 1998 12:02AM ET
Reply # of 208

Robert (& Others),

My company handles Asian stockholder relations for Titan. I'd like to correct a couple of errors, and provide some additional information.

First, Titans do not sell for 50k minimum. Titan's standard models range from $23,995 to $28,495. Custom order jobs, which take 6-8 weeks to produce, range considerably higher.
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This poster is defendant Gus, he is the one that caught Steve Rogers and exposed him on the message boards;

By: stockdoc_1999
Reply To: None Saturday, 27 Mar 1999 at 3:38 AM EST
Post # of 22141


Steve Subin...or is it Steve Rogers (I also monitor the SI boards)...I have one question. Can I assume that you have a personal stake in ZSUN? After all, since you work for the company, they must issue stock or stock options as a payment. I mean, if ZSUN is all that I think it is, then we are sitting on a goldmine, and you, who works for the company, knows the inside scoop of the company, and probably receives some sort of salary in the form of stock and stock options will probably be able to retire in 5 years. As I said, don't be offended by my posts. I am only playing devil's advocate here.
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Fellow defendanut Gus discovered that insider Steve Rogers was touting zsun and the sued him to to keep him quiet. Have they no shame? I think its in Ziasuns employee guide on how to be a pump and dump artist on the internet. This was my favorite line from multiple alias Steve;
Desperation is the mother of invention

"I asked my boss for permission to post. It was first refused, then granted with restrictions that by that time I had already violated. I tried to close it out cleanly, didn't realize the computer remembers the login name, and shot myself and all of us in the foot."

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By: invest2020
Reply To: 77 by bighittman Saturday, 27 Mar 1999 at 1:01 PM EST
Post # of 5730

For the last time, really.

I posted as two different people. That was a total mistake. I did NOT lie, I did NOT hype, I did NOT reveal inside information. I think if you read the posts that will be clear. I wanted to provide useful information, I did it wrong. Nobody asked me to post. I asked my boss for permission to post. It was first refused, then granted with restrictions that by that time I had already violated. I tried to close it out cleanly, didn't realize the computer remembers the login name, and shot myself and all of us in the foot.

I'm here at 2AM reviewing the fact that I will in all likelihood be fired on Monday morning, losing a job with a company I like working for and which I think has terrific prospects. Believe me, I feel like death, and I'm sorry if I don't make sense.

Doc, if you have people in Manila and HK, please send them to our offices and report what you hear, That would at least help to undo what I've done. HK address is on the website. Manila is not, it's new. The address is Penthouse 3, Manila Luxury Condominium, Pearl Street, Ortigas Center. Phone is (632) 637 3508. Talk to Mike Palacios or Mike McCusker. Real people, doing real work, they won't know anything about anything to do with IR, they're strictly production people. As I was. If I wasn't a bloody idiot cubed, that's what I'd have stayed.

I'm actually kind of good at what I do. I went outside my competence, made a terrific mess, and all I can do is apologize. I don't think it will go over very well here, or with Tony Tobin.

It's not just expecting to lose the job. It's knowing I've screwed people that I have a lot of respect for, people that trusted me, and it feels really, really, bad.

I don't think you guys need any more of my self-flagellation; I'll go and do it in private. Please don't judge the company by me.

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By: invest2020
Reply To: None Saturday, 27 Mar 1999 at 8:02 AM EST
Post # of 5730

Truth.

You're not confused at all. You're smart, I've been uncontrollably stupid, we have a final confession before I go to get my butt deservedly whipped by a whole line of people.

Sequence of events:

1. I posted on the SI thread, and was told not to by my own people.
2. I decided entirely of my own accord, no prompting from anyone, that since I couldn't post as me, I would post as someone else and provide useful information to all. Dumb.
3. I received permission to post as myself, did so on SI, and was invited in completely good faith, by people who knew nothing of any of this, to post here.
4. I decided with huge relief to get rid of this fictitious person forever and just be me.
5. The computer remembered who I wasn't, and announced it to all, as you noticed.

So now I do the only thing I know how to do when I've f--cked up big time, which is to come completely clean, apologize, and walk away. I will surely be told on Monday that I am never to approach a ZSUN message board again for all eternity. Which I would do without being told, as I obviously don't belong here. Seemed so innocent at the time.

Not that I have any credibility left, but actual substance of all posts is absolutely and to the best of my ability true.

I am completely aware of the ramifications of this one, and that I've done more damage to all of us than I could have ever hoped to prevent. The intention was good, the method dead wrong.

Once again, nobody told me to do that, and I am going to be in the sh-t big time when the e-mail I just sent to my own people gets read. Whatever comes back is on my head and mine only.

I guess that's enough. Not enough, really, but what else can I say?

Good luck to all.