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To: Bob Williamson who wrote (22894)	6/3/2000 9:10:00 AM
From: Solid	Read Replies (4) \| Respond to of 29970

Bob, OT Would you please explain this to me - I'm a simple US of A citizen - it appears ah communicated with you about the following and I don't know YOGA from MOGA or ZOGA: If you don't mind here is an insight- You only ask the simple questions I see. Like what is the meaning of life? Spiritual cannibalism. You eat everything that life serves you. You get upset in traffic- you see the upset and eat the tension, find your own ego judgements or expectations and rise in understanding to a place where you 'see' the pain we heap upon ourselves with expectations and judgements of how something HAS to be. The result is we may then resonate in a space called peace even though in the midst of outer chaos. The process of learning and evolving from our particular challenges, the good, the bad and the ugly is Karma Yoga. All the big, small and seemingly indifferent challenges we each face, moment to moment, have the potential to enslave our awareness or to assist us in extricating our 'self' from the false identification as being just a limited separate ego that rides atop a physical brain in a short term mortal body. [Here is the entree for quantum physics, what is time and reality and what is quantifiable] That we sometimes learn quickly and sometimes require near infinite repetition before we tire of a 'payoff' and 'see' beyond the gold ring is what the lifetime reference was about. Read Jonathan Livingston Seagull by Richard Bach. Short, simple and very profound explanations of what you may be asking...if your asking is sincere. Chiang to Jonathan: Do you have any idea Jonathan how many lifetimes it takes to realize there is more to life then just chasing after fish heads? A thousand, ten thousand? And then another hundred to realize there is something more. For some, the supposed goal is money. For some, it is power. For some, it is to assuage fear of lack or insecurity. For others to master a discipline and the list goes on. The least common denominator? One primary emotion Love. The primary secondary emotion is Fear. We are all here, as Shakespeare suggested, actors and actresses, on a stage called life with our entrances and our exits. Our true self 'sits' in the audience and prompts us with the still small voice within letting 'us' (who we think we are) play our part. Then again, it is nothing like that. Another book by Bach, Illusions, simple written in plain American English with a simple story and profound insights clothed in plain brown words and story. Both of these by the way, were best sellers on the times list for like years. We may be Americans, but truth is universal and all find the same truth eventually though we come by it from infinite directions. Look at Ah. Hope this helps. But it is amazing how one question leads invariably to others.

To: Bob Williamson who wrote (22894)	6/3/2000 7:20:00 PM
From: ayahuasca	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 29970

Seems Solid got there first. I'll defer to his post, adding only this.. The root of life is suffering. Our experience here is a struggle from the moment we are forced out our mothers womb. Everybody has their own path from that point forward but it is a certainty that each of us will encounter hardship and difficulty. It is the struggle that defines our character, ourselves, no matter what the degree of suffering. For me, ATHM might be one of the little battles that I must wage in search of myself. How's that for New Age investing. lol.