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To: Mark Davis who wrote (714)	6/4/2000 10:57:00 AM
From: Dominick	Respond to of 1001

Mark: Even 10:30 am EST. on Sunday it's over 236 ms. :(

To: Mark Davis who wrote (714)	6/4/2000 11:57:00 AM
From: Simon Thornington	Respond to of 1001

Hmm this is productive. Here are my traceroutes (note that I have few problems with Cyber): (Cyber to me) ============================================================= === VisualRoute (tm) 4.0c report on 04-Jun-00 11:47:57 AM === ============================================================= Report for 64.228.203.56 Analysis: Node '64.228.203.56' was found in 13 hops (TTL=115). Connections to HTTP port 80 are being rejected. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- \| Hop \| Err \| IP Address \| Node Name \| Location \| ms \| Graph \| Network \| --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- \| 0 \| \| 206.242.238.99 \| - \| * \| \| \| Cyber Corp. \| \| 1 \| \| 206.242.238.2 \| zeus-br1.gw2.aus.noc.cybercorp.com \| Austin, TX, USA \| 0 \| x \| Cyber Corp. \| \| 2 \| \| 157.130.135.221 \| 500.Serial12-1-0.GW1.AUS1.ALTER.NET \| Austin, TX, USA \| 0 \| x \| UUNET Technologies, Inc. \| \| 3 \| \| 152.63.100.106 \| 131.ATM2-0.XR1.DFW4.ALTER.NET \| Dallas, TX, USA \| 0 \| x \| UUNET Technologies, Inc. \| \| 4 \| 1 \| 152.63.99.18 \| 195.at-2-0-0.TR1.HOU7.ALTER.NET \| Houston, TX, USA \| 54 \| --x-- \| UUNET Technologies, Inc. \| \| 5 \| 2 \| 152.63.1.101 \| 132.at-6-1-0.TR1.CHI2.ALTER.NET \| Chicago, IL, USA \| 81 \| --x---- \| UUNET Technologies, Inc. \| \| 6 \| 1 \| 152.63.65.85 \| 197.ATM7-0.XR1.CHI6.ALTER.NET \| Chicago, IL, USA \| 136 \| ---x-- \| UUNET Technologies, Inc. \| \| 7 \| 1 \| 146.188.209.153 \| 191.ATM8-0-0.GW5.CHI6.ALTER.NET \| Chicago, IL, USA \| 76 \| --x---- \| UUNET PIPEX \| \| 8 \| 1 \| 157.130.107.114 \| belladvanced3-gw.customer.alter.net \| - \| 91 \| ---x--- \| UUNET Technologies, Inc. \| \| 9 \| \| 206.108.99.10 \| bx2-chicago23-pos2-0.in.bellnexxia.net \| ?Toronto, ON, Canada \| 106 \| ----x---- \| Bell Advanced Communications Inc. \| \| 10 \| \| 206.108.97.221 \| core2-montreal02-pos3-0.in.bellnexxia.net \| ?Toronto, ON, Canada \| 50 \| x \| Bell Advanced Communications Inc. \| \| 11 \| \| 206.108.105.22 \| - \| ?Toronto, ON, Canada \| 60 \| x \| Bell Advanced Communications Inc. \| \| 12 \| \| 206.108.100.70 \| sms1-montreal02-fe7-0.in.bellnexxia.net \| ?Toronto, ON, Canada \| 74 \| x-- \| Bell Advanced Communications Inc. \| \| 13 \| \| 64.228.203.56 \| HSE-Montreal-ppp140621.sympatico.ca \| Montreal, QU, Canada \| 81 \| x \| HSE \| --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Me to Cyber (using commandline tracert): 1 60 ms 49 ms 53 ms HSE-Montreal-ppp140566.sympatico.ca [64.228.203. 1] 2 21 ms 27 ms 24 ms mtldisr08-fe1-1-0.in.bellnexxia.net [206.108.100 .65] 3 21 ms 16 ms 20 ms core1-montreal02-pos10-2.in.bellnexxia.net [206. 108.105.5] 4 33 ms 23 ms 28 ms 206.108.103.214 5 32 ms 27 ms 27 ms 206.108.103.243 6 30 ms 24 ms 28 ms sl-gw9-nyc-7-3.sprintlink.net [160.81.43.13] 7 30 ms 27 ms 27 ms sl-bb10-nyc-4-0.sprintlink.net [144.232.7.93] 8 30 ms 28 ms 27 ms sl-bb12-nyc-9-0.sprintlink.net [144.232.13.157] 9 34 ms 35 ms 27 ms sl-bb12-pen-7-0.sprintlink.net [144.232.9.70] 10 66 ms 64 ms 60 ms 144.232.9.238 11 62 ms 63 ms 63 ms 144.232.11.6 12 62 ms 63 ms 63 ms sl-gw19-fw-4-0-0.sprintlink.net [144.232.11.122] 13 67 ms 71 ms 72 ms sl-cybercorp-t3-1-0-12M.sprintlink.net [144.232. 193.194] 14 85 ms 92 ms 86 ms www.cybercorp.com [206.242.238.201] Trace complete. Offhand, I would say that the problems appear to be occurring inside Level3, or the point where Level3 meets AlterNet. Cheers, Simon.

To: Mark Davis who wrote (714)	6/4/2000 11:58:00 AM
From: Wes Stevens	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1001

Mark, Take a good look at your first trace that is from cyber to you. Cyber hands off to uunet with no problems. uunet bounces it around 4 different routers in dallas - but these are probably all siting in the same room and cause very little delay - and then hands it off to level3. Level3 bounces through 9 different routers in five different cities before it gets to you. This is probably where the problems are happening. It is taking the local instead of the express. The fact that level3 has no direct connection between dallas and nyc would make me look for a new isp. If you look at the trace going from you to cyber it is put on the backbone in nyc and then has 7 backbone hops three in nyc and 2 in houston before it goes direct into cyber. This is a much cleaner and faster route as it is going across country in just one jump on uunet with is faster and more robust then level3's internal network. By the way the ms delays when you do a trace route are close to meaningless. Most routers put a trace route packet at the very bottom of the priority and respond to them when they feel like it. They really tell you nothing about how fast a real packet will route through the network. A ping is the best way to tell the network delays to a node and back. One thing that we all have to remember is that the internet is still far from being a reliable means of communication. The day will come it is still a couple of years off. For some of us it would be better to not use the internet at all and just pay up for a frame relay connection direct to you broker.