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Technology Stocks : How high will Microsoft fly? -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: SunSpot who wrote (46034)	6/6/2000 12:35:00 PM
From: John F. Dowd	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 74651

SS: I don't know much about SUNW, but I'm amazed about their marketing methods - some of them would be illegal over here. In many european countries, it is not allowed to compare a product with products from competing companies in commercials. It would not be legal for Sun to describe Windows in a commercial. And I have never seen a Sun commercial over here, and yes, they are big over here, too. FUD and BS doesn't make us wiser. If you don't know other systems than Windows, you should talk to some expert on other systems about them. If you don't know Windows, you should start listening to what makes people like it. Most of my time on this thread goes with listening, not with writing. Both SUNW and MSFT advocates have some factual basis for what they present, but that doesn't matter. We want overview and transparency. Not a modified form of truth. That is why Europe has been in the van of all things technical I guess. Europe the inventor of and capitulator to Hitler. You guys make me want to puke with such patronizing baloney. If you were to trade on a level playing field the EU would become a subsidiary of McDonalds. Next time you get involved in a war take care of it yourself. JFD

To: SunSpot who wrote (46034)	6/6/2000 2:43:00 PM
From: cheryl williamson	Respond to of 74651

SunSpot, Well put!!! There has always been an attempt in the PC business to legitimize the PC as a "real" data processor, not just a toy with bells & whistles. That, I think is one reason that the M$FT culture tends to redefine terminology to fit their own purposes. I remember way back in the early 80's when we would speak of DBase II as a "database manager" and get laughed out of the glass house. We would go back, lick our wounds and say "what do they know anyway? It manages data, so it must be a database manager." The problem, of course, is that its a long way from the sandlot to the big leagues, even though everyone is playing the same game...

To: SunSpot who wrote (46034)	6/6/2000 3:51:00 PM
From: keithsha	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 74651

How about some facts instead of SunSpot's FUD.... Scalability - Sunspot said "size of the biggest system divided by the size of the smallest system." What???? Scalability to systems people means headroom to grow an implementation to meet the business need. What SunSpot referred to is sometimes represented by term "factoring" or the ability to implement on a wide range of system sizes. Windows-based systems have set world records for scalability, performance and factoring. Windows 2000 is the fastest, and most scalable solution available, according to the industry-recognized TPC-C benchmark. Running on Compaq ProLiant 8500 systems, Windows 2000 and SQL ServerTM scaled to provide substantially better performance than Sun's top-of-the-line E10000 or Sun's clustered-server solution. Comapq and Sun submitted the best results they could tune from their hardware and pass the TPC audit. tpc.org. In the SAP Retail Benchmark performance tests the best Windows 2000 and SQL Server solution scored 3,165,000 transactions per hour while the best Sun solution scored only 2,412,000 transactions per hour. Over half of new SAP sales are on Windows-based systems. Over one-third of existing SAP sites run on Windows platforms. SAP has over 10,000 customers running on Windows platforms. (Source: SAP) Major businesses use Windows-based systems as their preferred scalable solution. For example, Southwest Securities handles twice the Internet volume of Sun?s trophy online trading account, and it runs on Windows. NASDAQ, TD Waterhouse, Bloomberg, Buy.com, Gap.com, and Barnes & Noble all use Windows-based solutions. DNS Interoperability - SunSpots says, "the internet standard DNS as it is used in the Microsoft Windows 2000 system, not completely compatible with internet DNS". Obvious FUD as well since the latest version of the Windows 2000 operating system includes a new version of DNS. The RFCs used in this version are 1034, 1035, 1886, 1996, 1995, 2136, 2308 and 2052. There are only two requirements for the Unix DNS servers used in Windows 2000 environments: 1) The DNS server must support RFC 2052, which defines Service Resource Records. BIND has supported this RFC since version 4.9.6. 2) The server must support RFC 2136, which defines the Dynamic Update Protocol. BIND has supported this RFC since version 8. DNS servers that meet these requirements can continue to run on UNIX platforms indefinitely and support Windows 2000 name resolution and resource lookup. Yes MSFT markets aggresively but, with integrity as we have the technologies, products and services to back it up. keithsha