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To: George Gilder who wrote (5179)6/6/2000 7:17:00 PM
From: cardcounter  Respond to of 5676
 
Heinz is right, productivity is overstated due to hedonic pricing.. the following excerpt from Grant's makes a compelling case to this end.


One important method used in the
U.S. to compare products across time
periods is hedonic price indexing. The
idea of hedonic price indexing is this:
instead of putting a price on a particular
product, put a price on each of the products
characteristics. The prices of product
characteristics are estimated by
looking at a range of products with different
characteristics. For example, in
the case of computers, there might be a
?price of processor speed? (in dollars per
megahertz), a price of the IBM brand
name, and so on. These hedonic
prices can then be used to generate a
theoretical price for any product
whose characteristics are known.
Government statisticians generate theoretical
prices for this year's products
using last year's hedonic prices, and
they compare these theoretical prices
with the actual prices observed this
year.

Currently, it is used with housing, semiconductors,
cell phones, digital switches, import
and export items, and, most notably,
computer hardware and software.
These last two categories are particularly
important because they have
come to represent the most important
factor in the growth of investment,
which is the most volatile component
of gross domestic product.

?Today, for example, the cost incre-ment
between a system with a 600
MHz Pentium III and an identical sys-tem
with a 700 MHz Pentium III can be
as little as $70 (70 cents per MHz). Yet
the cost increment from 733 MHz to
800 MHz can be as much as $200 ($3
per MHz). And it can cost nearly $800
($6 per MHz) to go from 866 MHz to 1
gigahertz (1,000 MHz). The recent
introduction of the 1GHz chip is push-ing
down prices near the high end, but
people who get along fine with 600
MHz?people who use computers for
business rather than rocket science?
won?t see much price benefit. Typical
hedonic models really do give a single
price for processor speed in dollars per
MHz, and when they price processor
speed, they price the marketing man-ager?s
computer along with that of the
rocket scientist.

?In this situation, a hedonic regres-sion
will estimate the ?hedonic price of
processor speed? as some kind of com-promise
between the $6 high end and
the 70 cents (or less) low end. Let?s say
$3. When this figure is applied across
the board to produce theoretical prices,
the theoretical price for the high-end or
low-end machine will tend to underes-timate
the actual price, whereas the the-oretical
price for a mid-range machine
will tend to overestimate the actual
First, while the validity of the tech-nique
depends on having the right set
of hedonic pricing characteristics, the
choice of characteristics is essentially a
subjective one. Second, the technique
is not well suited to discontinuous
technological change: It relies on the
premises that this year?s goods and last
year?s goods can be described in terms
of the same characteristics and that the
characteristics mean the same thing
this year as they did last year. In a
world of dramatic innovation, rapid
obsolescence and compatibility con-straints,
the applicability of the hedo-nic
price concept is dubious. Finally,
hedonic pricing depends on specifying
in a simple mathematical form the way
each characteristic should affect the
price. That may be easy when the char-acteristic
is something, like computer
memory, that can be added or removed
from a product, and might simply cost
a certain number of dollars per
megabyte. But when the characteristic
is something abstract, like processor
speed, a simple mathematical relation-ship
is likely to be misleading.
?To see how hedonic pricing can lead
to distortions, consider the way in which
the rise in processor speed occurs. Chip-makers
are constantly introducing new
processors that are marginally faster
than the fastest previously available.
The cost increment for the newest,
fastest processor over the previous
model is generally substantial, and the
price of the old best falls when a new
price. The theoretical price of a 1GHz
machine selling at $2,700 might be
more like $2,550, but the theoretical
price of a 733 MHz machine selling at
$1,600 might be more like $1,750.
?Now what will happen if Intel
introduces a new Pentium III that runs
at 1.1 GHz (1,100 MHz)? The cost of a
1 GHz computer will fall by several
hundred dollars?but most people
won?t care. The cost of a 600 MHz com-puter
will change little. The cost of a
733 MHz computer will fall by maybe
$70, a small change in dollar terms, but
enough to make it economical for main-stream
purchasers, since they can now
get more power (compared to, say, a
a negligible cost
increment. So, when the government
collects its data, it will find many peo-ple
buying computers around the 733
MHz range. And let?s say they pay
around $1,530 for the machine that
used to cost $1,600. It used to cost
$1,600, but its theoretical price was
$1,750, so the $70 price drop looks like
a $220 price drop. This will be partly
offset by the reverse effect at the high
end?1GHz computers whose theoret-ical
price was understated?but since
that?s a smaller market, the aggregate
effect will be smaller. And as for the old
low-end computers, which also had
understated theoretical prices, they
won?t be selling any more. The net
effect is that it looks like computer
prices in general have fallen signifi-cantly,
when in fact the only large drops
have been at the high end.
?So what effect does this scenario
have on the statistics? For one thing,
obviously, inflation will be understated,
because the government averages a lot
of huge price drops for computers that
really only had small price drops. The
other side of the coin is that growth will
be overstated. The new year?s economy
produces lots of 733 MHz computers,
which, in terms of last year?s theoretical
prices, are replacing (on the production
line, that is), old, low-end computers
that had been undervalued. Therefore,
real output growth, and anything
derived from it, is overstated.
Productivity appears to be growing
quickly, and anything ?real? in the
national accounts?real GDP growth,
real profit growth, real consumption
growth, etc.?is actually less real than
you might think.

?Another point worth noting in con-nection
with this example is that the
(hypothetical) new 1.1 GHz computers
will also appear to have experienced a
price drop and to be reflecting a pro-ductivity
increase, even though, really,
their price could not have dropped,
since they didn?t even exist before. In
this example, it?s true, the ?apparent
price drop? for the 1.1 GHz computer
would be understated relative to a
?perfectly fit? hedonic model. But the
fact remains, as far as the 1.1 GHz
machine is concerned, there was no
actual price drop, and there was no
increase in productivity for any actual
product: simply, a new product was
introduced. Philosophically, it?s hard
to regard this as a real increase in pro-ductivity
(unless, of course, someone
can show that these new computers
make the rest of the economy more
productive). Otherwise, wouldn?t we
have to regard every new invention as
an increase in productivity?



To: George Gilder who wrote (5179)6/6/2000 7:31:00 PM
From: pater tenebrarum  Respond to of 5676
 
"new" economy is imo a poor attempt at trying to rationalize a perfectly old-fashioned stock market bubble that has come about due to the enormous increase in the money supply under Greenspan.
it is typical that the proponents of this rationalization resort to the supposed non-measurability of what is happening...i repeat, economic output can be measured in dollars, no artificialities are needed. after all we measure the value of the stocks involved in producing all this great new technology also in dollars...they are still businesses that have to produce profits, no matter how many terabytes of information cross the net.
i agree that the net and all those wonderful new technologies are great for consumers and that technological progress has created a host of new industries and opportunities. however, the net erases informational deficits, the basis for profit margins.
another factor conveniently ignored by the new era proponents is time...the day still has only 24 hours.
regarding productivity and how it is measured i recommend reading this article:

grantspub.com

it explains the problems inherent in the way the government tries to measure productivity. note that the prediction made in the report (which was written before the latest productivity data came out) did in fact come true.

we have had investment manias with a backdrop of rapid technological innovation, low inflation and loose monetary policies before...and at their tail end the gurus always show up to explain to us how it's different this time and how the laws of supply and demand have been repealed in the 'new era'.

a look back in history will disabuse one of these notions - the bull market of the 1920's was also driven by technological innovations of great import (electricity, cars, aviation, telephone, radio, mass-manufacturing, are equally, if not more momentous innovations as the ones we have developed in modern times), a loose monetary policy (the credit explosion in the current boom is however many times larger relative to GDP and disposable income) and disinflation. the productivity gains achieved from '21 to '29 were in fact slightly larger than those achieved during the nineties.

but then, the stock market has a tendency to price all these wonderful things into one euphoric moment...that's usually also precisely the moment when we hear that the trees will indeed grow to the sky.

<<the enrichment of stock market values in the face of a hostile Federal Reserve>> that's the key sentence...like others before you you believe that the persistence of the stock market mania is proof of something...all it proves is that there is too much liquidity sloshing about in the system and that we have an open-ended fantasy that helps us deploy it.

that's human nature - it never changes.



To: George Gilder who wrote (5179)6/6/2000 7:40:00 PM
From: KeepItSimple  Respond to of 5676
 
Yada yada yada. Hey george, do you front run your well publicized stock picks? Enquiring minds want to know.

thanks


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Unmeasured in productivity data that ignores new products, the creativity unleashed by the net is best revealed by the efflorescence of scores of thousands of amazing new technology companies and the enrichment of stock market values in the face of a hostile Federal Reserve that does not comprehend the new economy any more than you do.



To: George Gilder who wrote (5179)6/6/2000 8:13:00 PM
From: sea_biscuit  Respond to of 5676
 
Ah, I see. The same Federal Reserve that was perceived as a wonderful entity when it sustained the bubble has now suddenly become the villain! Kinda like the drunk who thinks the world of the friendly bartender, until the latter stops pouring the vodka because he thinks the customer has had a little too much!

Well, at least when those internet tulips blow up in your faces, you have some convenient excuse! That darn Fed! <g> No matter if most of the tulips cease to exist and the survivors don't regain their all-time highs for over 30 years, it is still the Fed that ruined what was really an orderly party! <g>



To: George Gilder who wrote (5179)6/6/2000 9:03:00 PM
From: Haim R. Branisteanu  Respond to of 5676
 
George, it is amazing how one can blow out of proportion some improvement in communication. Yes the internet and computer are nice things but their impact do not change human nature not the law of economics such as replacement value.

Give me the market cap of TERN as research money and I will build a heck of a modem....... or the market cap of YHOO and I will build a heck of search engine.....more??

Would like to hear your explanation why after they deployed the telephone and the radio with the ability of reaching millions instantaneously the stock market crashed and the depression ensued?

Well it is called human nature ---- to much excess ------ so later you must pay for it........ nothing different those days.

My suggestion may be read the bible .......lots of wisdom ..... nothing has changed under the sun since <GGGGGG> greed and fear are the same and inovation comes in each generation.

BWDIK
Haim



To: George Gilder who wrote (5179)6/6/2000 10:00:00 PM
From: onurbius  Respond to of 5676
 
<The PC is capable of publishing the document to millions of people simultaneously on the net; and it is capable of reaching a billion web pages comprising hundreds of terabytes of information across the net rather than merely a few megabytes of contents in a local hard drive.>
You are correct, sir. In other words, never before in the history of mankind have more people with even less to say than you been able to blather their nonsense instantaneously around the globe.



To: George Gilder who wrote (5179)6/7/2000 12:04:00 AM
From: LLCF  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 5676
 
<Productivity in fact is hugely understated in the data.> <The value of a computer--an exemplary product similar to thousands of other innovations--has increased millions of times over the last decade because it is no longer restricted to typing a Word Document (your obsolete example). >

I hear you saying that Traders working for Credit Swiss [for example] are millions of times more productive productive than 10 years ago assuming they've upgraded to the latest PC??

DAK



To: George Gilder who wrote (5179)6/7/2000 2:58:00 AM
From: Dr. Jeff  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 5676
 
George,

You are truly delusional bubble-head!



To: George Gilder who wrote (5179)6/7/2000 3:09:00 AM
From: Tim McCormick  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 5676
 
Repeat after me: There is no new economy, There is no new economy.....
When you can email me a glass of water, there will be a new economy. Until then we have a huge school of fish mesmerized by glowing boxes. These fish lose social skills each day as their lives become dehumanized. They take their quake games on the freeway with them. They hold their spouses up to the unrealistic expectations of porn sites. They move quickly through an electronic financial system under the false pretense of reputable efficient capital allocation, when in essence we are a nation of gambling addicts.
Virtual experience is vapor experience. I'll take mine in the garden where I can smell the dirt, not my hot tower fan. There is a limit to the value of information displayed by a glowing box. The increases in the quality of that information and the breadth of its dispersion provide ever diminishing returns. The virtual experience as defined by staring at glowing boxes is not human experience. Do you expect me to visit you if you are ill in the hospital?



To: George Gilder who wrote (5179)6/7/2000 7:15:00 AM
From: Arik T.G.  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 5676
 
GG,

Thanks for advocating the side unpopular on this thread, and I apologize for any overheated responses you got.
Economics sometimes forgets it is not an exact science. In the end it's the person who's productivity and pleasure are increased. IMO the time consumed by employees watching their stocks and giving trading orders real time over the net from their offices is a big negative productivity improvement. Same for emailing jokes and cartoons, participating in chats and posting to threads during office hours. A measurement of the pleasure one gets from unknowingly using a high speed optic router is far more complicated then measuring the agony one feels every time one's OS crashes. Therefore Windows can easily get a minus value of improvement over DOS. Furthermore, all the improvement achieved in CPU speeds and memory chips production in the '90s went to waste on fatware. I still remember the 1-2-3 running on IBM XT with 512k RAM, two 360k floppies and no hard drive. Yes, it had a green screen and no mouse. The latest Excel does basically the same thing. The greatest, if not only improvement made during the past 18 years of feverish development is in the graphic presentation of the data. Anyway, when surfing the net one cannot easily differentiate between using Celeron based and Athlon based PCs. The bottleneck is elsewhere.
The greatest improvement in the total fun one can get from one's PC was the creation of Doom. My favorite computer game, however, is still the 1989 DOS run Civilization.

ATG



To: George Gilder who wrote (5179)6/7/2000 9:33:00 AM
From: Tommaso  Respond to of 5676
 
" the enrichment of stock market values in the face of a hostile Federal Reserve that does not comprehend the new economy any more than you do."

Actually the Fed has made possible the absurdly bloated prices--not values--that we see in the stock markets of the United States. The few people who actually follow the monetary aggregates (MZM, M2, M3) know that in late 1998 as a response to the LTCM collapse and again in late 1999, in anticipation of a Y2K banking crisis, the Fed allowed money and credit to expand rapidly.

Now that the Fed seems to be returning to a more steady management of the money and credit, the stock markets have revealed their instability. People who foolishly bought stocks, and especially those who borrowed money to do so, at those high prices, are naturally upset and looking for anyone other than themselves to blame.