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To: TigerPaw who wrote (20389)	6/7/2000 3:24:00 PM
From: one_less	Respond to of 769667

<<The changing circumstances lead to a much higher level of risk for violence than existed when I was a child.>> Well then, if you haven't done so already...arm Grandma.

To: TigerPaw who wrote (20389)	6/7/2000 4:03:00 PM
From: Neocon	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 769667

Actually,by invoking the changed habits of the constabulary, and the comparative rootlessness of the inhabitants of the town, you too are pointing to moral decline as a factor, although you might speak in more sociological terms. I think that there was too great a trade- off between personal freedom and responsibility in the 60s, when I was a child, and that it has had the most adverse effects on those who are most vulnerable: the "underclass", those who are chronically unemployed, educationally disadvantaged, and most prone to instability, not only African- Americans, but white migrants from Appalachia and the Ozarks, some Hispanics, and others. I also think that it has made the family and social circumstances of even those who are economically more secure a bit more vulnerable, and pushed those who might have been at the edge anyway into crisis...........

To: TigerPaw who wrote (20389)	6/7/2000 4:34:00 PM
From: Ish	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 769667

<<I grew up in a rural community. I had a pickup truck with a gun rack, which contained a rifle in full view while parked in the high school lot.>> That is why the gun laws should be left up to more local control. In rural areas kids do go hunting after school. They shoot ducks not other students. In urban areas a kid taking a shotgun to school probably isn't going duck or deer hunting after classes so there is a need to be more restrictive. Federal broad brush laws aren't needed.

To: TigerPaw who wrote (20389)	6/7/2000 10:43:00 PM
From: Brumar89	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 769667

I grew up in a similar environment. You make a good point about gun prices. They haven't kept pace with inflation and are relatively cheap today. Just about anyone can afford a 9mm. Also there are a wider variety of firearms available for purchase. I'm sure greater availability and affordability have an impact on gun crimes.

To: TigerPaw who wrote (20389)	6/8/2000 4:13:00 PM
From: Gordon A. Langston	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 769667

Today, not only can a gun be bought with payday's leftover money, the town has tripled in size and filled with people who sleep there, but work, shop, and socialize elsewhere. The changing circumstances lead to a much higher level of risk for violence than existed when I was a child. The changing circumstances are that city dwellers are often restricted from owning firearms (special permitting in New York) or at least severely inconvenienced (NO CCW permits or no carry in auto). Minorities, women and the elderly are the most common victims of violent crime and are most in need of firearms for defense. Women are 2.5 times more likely to suffer serious injury when offering no resistance than for women resisting with a gun. Quite a contrast. Cheaper or less-expensive firearms are beneficial to their cause. (The cheapest imaginable single shot pistols were distributed to the underground in France in WWII to allow them to obtain better weapons from their invaders. These were stamped out of sheet metal.) Full automatic weapons are often cheaper on the black market than in the legal market because some semi-automatics can be modified to full automatic with illegal parts. The ad-vantage always goes to the criminal or those with criminal intent in gun-control strategies because they pay no attention and circumvent the strategies. More Guns (for citizens) equals less Crime. Ask John Lott.