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To: TigerPaw who wrote (20399)	6/7/2000 6:29:00 PM
From: one_less	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 769667

There may be some hope for you TP. Apparently as a youth you knew about common sense, personal responsibility, and ideals. I can't figure how it is that you now call your self liberal and support greater restrictiveness. That seems a contradiction in itself. You also seem to be for less personal freedom to live as a responsible citizen. I understand that there is less trust among the masses and a tendency to act out more. Restricting access to guns does not effect the trend in that direction. A principles based society does. Why not consider the causes of the weakening of the values in our culture. Our cultural values, the one's you knew of as a youth (which may be changing) are founded on the principles of the Constitution. We are a very young nation. Many older nations with fine constitutions around the world have found themselves paralyzed with disfunctional laws and economic systems in the wake of corruption by the elite. Are we headed in that direction? Gun control is a bandade that allows us to avoid dealing with the underlying social issues that are bringing the American people to be overcome by a sense of futility and defeat. Criminal laws with no effective means of enforcement are meaningless. Administrations that can snicker at their oath of office and openly lie to the citizenry give license to the rest of us to circumvent any standard we are clever enough to disrespect. Time to make some changes, eh. Gun control is aiming at the wrong target.

To: TigerPaw who wrote (20399)	6/7/2000 9:31:00 PM
From: Ish	Respond to of 769667

<< laws are just a way to formalize this common sense in a way suitable for large populations.>> Pandering to cities. Nutty liberals imposing city ways on rural folks. Ain't right. Local control is the answer.

To: TigerPaw who wrote (20399)	6/8/2000 2:50:00 PM
From: Gordon A. Langston	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 769667

common sense As of 12/31/94, Florida had issued 188,106 licenses and not one innocent person had been killed or injured by a licensed gun owner in the 6 years post-reform. Of the 188,106 licenses, 17 (0.0001%) were revoked for misuse of the firearm. Not one of those revocations were associated with any injury whatsoever. In opposing reform, fear is often expressed that "everyone would be packing guns," but, after reform, most states have licensed fewer than 2% (and in no state more than 4%) of qualified citizens. Notwithstanding gun control extremists' unprophetic histrionics , the observed reality was that crime fell, in part, because vicious predators fear an unpredictable encounter with an armed citizen even more than they fear apprehension by police or fear our timid and porous criminal justice system. It is no mystery why Florida's tourists are targeted by predators - predators are guaranteed that, unlike Florida's citizens, tourists are unarmed. Those who advocate restricting gun rights often justify their proposals "if it saves only one life." There have been matched state pair analyses, crime trend studies, and California county-by-county research demonstrating that licensing law-abiding, mentally-competent adults to carry concealed weapons for protection outside their homes saves many lives, so gun prohibitionists should support such reforms, if saving lives is truly their motivation.