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To: tero kuittinen who wrote (5345)	6/8/2000 12:34:00 PM
From: Peter J Hudson	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 34857

Welcome back Tero! When & where will the first commercial GPRS system appear? When will Nokia have GPRS handsets? The failed Korean CDMA strategy has made wireless Korea's #1 export. Pete

To: tero kuittinen who wrote (5345)	6/8/2000 2:51:00 PM
From: carranza2	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 34857

Tero, did you look up the meaning of the word "cabal" before using it to describe the Q longs at SI? A cabal is a conspiratorial group of plotters and intriguers. Hardly the group of sinister individuals you describe. However, I can understand the imprecise, rhetorical use of the word, particularly where more accurate words would rob your language of its colorful effect. Will you allow me a few ignorant questions? Who has the IPR rights to GSM? Any sensible Nordics who are willing to make GSM an open standard? Are any of these sensible Nordics getting paid royalty fees? What a good joke! The Q is a business, duty-bound to make profits for its shareholders. The cooperation between Nokia and Ericsson on EDGE and GPRS is purely a scheme designed to get the Q to lower its licensing rates. If their interest were otherwise adverse, they would be at each others' throats. Sensible Nordics, indeed! No dice, Tero. The Q has essential WCDMA patents, and will sell IPR's on CDMA, whatever its flavor, as a package deal. End of story. It should be obvious by now. The Q is launching CDMA2000. It will also get paid for WCDMA, should it ever get off the ground. Making GPRS and EDGE open standards is a thinly-disguised scheme. In fact, to do so is to acknowledge their deficiencies. No one gives away the good stuff. Regards, A Cabalist

To: tero kuittinen who wrote (5345)	6/9/2000 12:28:00 AM
From: Maurice Winn	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 34857

<...QUALCOMM has reserved the right to adjust its license terms and conditions, including increasing its royalties, for those companies that delay in entering into a license with QUALCOMM... > Tero, I guess you have noticed that 3G Royalties, [for Q! technology] which Q! ex-President Harvey White spoke about several years ago as likely to be in the low single figures, have drifted upwards and have settled comfortably at the same level as 2G royalties, which are around 5.6%, if we believe the Koreans who breached their confidentiality agreements, [though their royalties for cellular bands, not PCS, and for sales inside Korea were lower - though perhaps they have increased]. Now QUALCOMM is sensibly, reasonably, fairly and magnanimously warning companies which do not yet have licences that they had better not shilly-shally. I expect that Q! will raise royalties for the tardy to GSM rates, which are apparently about 15%. That is too cheap in my mind because 3G can use spectrum about 7 times as efficiently as GSM [when the new CDMA technology is applied at the end of the year] and the data rates are going to be huge by comparison with GSM or GPRS or the dreaded Bleeding EDGE. Let's just ignore the fantasy about full-blown DS-CDMA in Never-Never Land. You better get on the hooter pronto, and warn Nokia that the drawbridge is going to be pulled up. It's time to can the FUD and sign the contract. Gus makes the less than edifying response that if Q! raises intellectual property charges, the VW40 6 Musketeers will do so too! That would make their system less attractive, late, expensive and very damaging to consumers - leveraging their DS-CDMA patents into a consumer-damaging monopolistic trust, excluding competition and damaging innovation. Oohhh, those words don't go well together in the context of Microsoft's pending split-up at the hands Janet Reno, Joel Klein and Judge Jackson of the USA judicial system. Maurice PS: I'd comment on this monkey business and who's a gorilla, a chimp and an ape, but I don't know anything about it and it sounds like a lot of rot to me. I'm in the "Don't check your brain at the broker's door" club. Five Easy Steps to Riches - [spot the monkey] doesn't make sense to me. How come a King isn't as good as a Gorilla? Aren't chimps better, more prolific and successful than Gorillas? I suppose they'd say "RTFM". Fair enough.

To: tero kuittinen who wrote (5345)	6/9/2000 3:24:00 PM
From: Eric L	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 34857

Tero, << I take a few days off and this thread goes to hell in a handbasket. >> Heck, I only posted once. <g> Maybe you should form a Nokia cabal to function in your absence? Is a cabal like a cult? << There's some grim satisfaction to be found in this... it confirms my worst suspicions about the tyranny of the Qualcomm cabal currently strangling SI >> What is this fascination you have with the Q* word? I did not use that word in my post you are replying to. Only Nokia. Positively I hope since this is the Nokia thread. Although (come to think of it)... Have you checked out Andrew Seybolds site lately? His Roadmap shows GPRS in "General Deployment" by Q4 2000, and chugging along at 38 kbps Rx, 9.6 Tx by late Q3 2001 & 64 kbps full duplex (115 kbps) by end Q2 2002 although he notes: "We doubt that the last phase (62.4 Kbps) of GPRS will be implemented because of the availability of EDGE". I acknowledge that you think differently on that one. By contrast he shows CDMA 1xMC in limited deployment by Q4 at 115 kbps (but he notes (Shinsegi Telecomm [SKT], Korea plans nationwide service in Q1-2001), and "General Deployment" at 307 kbps by Q2 2002. This might be optimistic since 1x Revision A is not in specification yet. Glad I only have to use GSM across the pond (and no G-Mails), and Chris Gent, Dr. Lee, & Gerry Flynn will fix that one soon when I can port my subscription. Competition in technology is marvelous. Respectfully & have a great Nokia Weekend, - Eric -

To: tero kuittinen who wrote (5345)	6/10/2000 11:48:00 PM
From: Rono	Respond to of 34857

"I don't think that Motorola is making a penny of profit from iDen phones. They simply can never reach the production volumes to justify the independent R&D expenditure that iDen division is ravenously consuming." Whether or not motorola makes a profit on their iDEN phones doesn't tell the whole story. IDEN may not aid in Motorola earnings, or help cash flow, but owning $70 million shares of Nextel certainly helps their balance sheet. Within the past 18 months, Motorola's shares have appreciated more than $6 billion. That seems like a pretty fair return on their investment in iDEN. You have made this the most interesting thread on SI, thanks for you efforts. Ron