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To: marcos who wrote (7151)	6/8/2000 3:28:00 PM
From: Rambi	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 9127

MArcos, I'm trying to understand this strong idea of rights. Had this been a recent (in terms of one or two generations) eviction from N. America to Mexico, it would make more sense to me, but while relatively recent in historical terms, most of those crossing illegally are quite young, and are 125 years away from the actual "ownership as natives", so is it taught in school and by oral story-telling that these are their rights, that the land is still Mexico's? Is there a good basic not too detailed book you could recommend for me on this, perhaps written from the Mexican point of view? (Here in Texas I have a feeling what I find might be a LEEEEETLE pro-US.) Still trying to understand what has obviously never been taught to me, and thanking you for your patience, penni

To: marcos who wrote (7151)	6/8/2000 4:03:00 PM
From: Lane3	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 9127

If to state these things is in your view facile, so be it ... Mea culpa. Very poor choice of words. One of those words with multiple meanings that are contradictory. I meant "facile mind" as a compliment. Agile, fluent, sharp, ready. As in too smart to get sucked down by romantic notions. Thanks for being so gracious in responding to a perceived insult. Now that I've buttered you up and am hopefully back in your good graces... To point out that the native of the area feels the right of passage within it is simply to state a fact...The exercise of that right of passage ... This is deja vu all over again. The thread had this discussion early on when X2 and company were coming up with all sorts of rights from thin air. At that time I said that rights are granted through a social contract. If the other party to the contract doesn't accede to the rights you "feel" you have, then they're not your rights. Social contracts, in this day and age, are codified in the constitutions of sovereign countries. That's the way it is. Anything else is a romantic notion. So sez I. Karen, i still don't consider the border in dispute ... whatever gave you the idea i did ... If we are in a world of sovereign states and social contracts and you think that Mexicans have rights to be in U.S. territory that was once Mexican, then you must consider the border in dispute. If, as you say, these rights spring from something unrelated to states and borders, then you don't. Karen