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To: Elmer who wrote (115394)	6/11/2000 12:57:00 AM
From: crazyoldman	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1577029

Hello Elmer, Re: Athlon was supposed to be a 7th generation processor and it lost most benchmarks to Intel's old antiquated 6th generation processors. You really don't understand the "benchmarking game" and how it's played? How long have you been around this stuff? Will willy have to rely on the "benchmarking game" also? Time may be running out for that strategy, lots of respect starting to gather around AMD, now that OEMs are finding it's a reliable supplier of processors. BTW, I checked Best Buy the other day, the salesman said he'd personally sold several 1 GHz Athlons...most customers were buying in one of two segments: (1) 750-900 MHz machines or (2) bargin basement machines. They had Athlon systems from 750 MHz, 800 MHz, 850 MHz, 900 MHz, 950 MHz, and 1 GHz for sale. He said they were selling a lot of Athlon systems. Highest PIII was a 750 MHz but it was the only one. He also said he never seen a 1 GHz PIII yet. Why is that? Haven't those been released already? He also said one other thing I found interesting, that is that the public is more frequency oriented when purchasing than processor brand oriented, looks like that "Intel Inside" stuff didn't stick in consumer's heads too long. CrazyMan

To: Elmer who wrote (115394)	6/11/2000 1:35:00 PM
From: hmaly	Respond to of 1577029

Elmer Re..<<<<<<? Athlon was supposed to be a 7th generation processor and it lost most benchmarks to Intel's old antiquated 6th generation processors. Here we have a 7.5th generation processor in the quite underwhelming TBird and "Thunderbird[7.5th generation] running neck and neck with the Pentium III[6th generation]". Doesn't this suggest something to you? <<<<<<< Yes, it suggests to me that your biases cloud your judgement and honesty. You are comparing Coppermine on 4 different platforms against Tbirds one in Toms tests, and Anands i820 and Via133 against t-bird kt-133. Tom,Anand and sharkey all said that comparing evenly matched platforms, (kt-133 to Via-133) that the Tbird outperformed PIII. Sharkey and Tom both mentioned Via's memory timing problems and that with a good chipset, T-bird outperforms PIII. This is just like your pushing biased perfetched benchmarks, ignore all of the evenly compared benchmarks and push the benchmarks favorable to Intel. By the way, on Tom's tests, the Tbird kt-133 beat the PIII with i815 on 8 tests and tied 2. Tbird beat pIII on overclocked bx 5 to 4, with 2 tied. Tbird kt-133 beat Piii appolo-133 8 to 1 with 1 tied. and it beat the Piii on 1840 - 800 mhz 6 to 3 tests. <<<<<You will see what a real 7th generation processor is soon enough. Maybe that should be 8th generation..... <<<<<<<<< True enough, when will sledgehammer get here? MPU's on a chip seem to be the wave of the future. Lately we have heard even Intel say Willy's time will be limited. Recognizing that improvements over the P6 or Tbird will be limited seems to cry out for a new path. Almost all of the improvements in speed have come from man. improvements in mhz. speeds; thus a mpu has become the new way to increase parallelism, and is likely to become the eight generation. With Intels problems with Merced, sledgehammer could very well be the new path.