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To: Dan3 who wrote (115659)	6/12/2000 9:34:00 PM
From: chic_hearne	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1576619

Re: The impression I'm getting is that even Austin yields are better with Thunderbird Dan, I don't know any reason why you would say this. For one, IBM has stated better yields on copper, so I tend to believe AMD also. If you remember, it was 3 months ago that AMD called Intel's bluff and released 1 Ghz. These first wafers we are seeing from Dresden were started before the 1 Ghz release. I think it's safe to say that AMD wasn't ready to release 1 Ghz in March. All of us thought they were stockpiling parts and we would hit 10 sellers on pricewatch very quickly. All of us were wrong (Goutama's contest). I think AMD has exploited the potential of the Athlon faster than intended. Since wafer start to processor is a long 3 months, AMD has simply got ahead of itself. The processors coming out of Dresden were probably intended to debut at 1 Ghz being the fastest processor in the world while Austin and Intel would be on about 850 Mhz. Intel bluffed AMD and they had to react. Since it's 3 months to new product, it takes time to react. I have confidence that current wafer starts at Dresden are intended to bin higher than 1 Ghz. Time will tell us if AMD is able to increase speed grades over the next few months. chic

To: Dan3 who wrote (115659)	6/12/2000 10:11:00 PM
From: milo_morai	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 1576619

AMD-760 Demo and DDR Chipset Certification (HARDWARE) Posted By Brian Neal Monday, June 12, 2000 - 2:32:29 PM Thanks to etech for sending in this c't link (German) about the AMD 760 chipset and DDR SDRAM. Apparently, there were no working chipsets/motherboard on the show floor at COMPUTEX 2000, but demonstrations were held behind closed doors. Systems with up to two double DATA rate SDRAM modules full-led first test runs with some producers already once. With a short test the chip record proved as for early prototypes already quite stably and also the performance was tidy. According to rumors the core comes from ALI; however neither AMD nor ALI wanted to commentate that. As you can see from the very poor translation above, AMD-760 motherboards were demonstrated with two DDR SDRAM modules. The 2-way multiprocessor version, 760MP, was not mentioned, so I suppose it probably wasn't demoed...understandable considering AMD's main market is uniprocessor systems. As far as DDR SDRAM supplies are concerned, the article had this to say: So that it does not come during the introduction of the new technique to bottlenecks with the supply of suitable memory modules, all large producers develop at present feverful. Some, as for instance Apacer, the MEMORY division of Acer, can supply samples already now. Another issue beyond memory supplies and manufacturer support is chipset stability. This is certainly of some concern considering VIA's latest problems with the KT133. Though the transation is very rough, the article seems to indicate that DDR SDRAM partners are looking to require some sort of certification process for DDR components. Considering VIA's track-record, this could be very good news: For the boards, which are based on VIA chipsets, the enterprise wants to take over certifying. So it is to be guaranteed that only perfect Designs come on the market. aceshardware.com Milo

To: Dan3 who wrote (115659)	6/13/2000 11:38:00 AM
From: Petz	Respond to of 1576619

Dan, re:<1.the T-Bird L2 is a dog...2. The Thunderbird L2 can be manufactured easily> Isn't it possible that T-Bird L2 is half speed? Does any documentation say it's full speed? I couldn't find it. Actually, I was hoping that it would be half speed with a double or quadruple data width, like CuMine, but apparently the width is only 64 bits. But Pete (post 115645) and Scumbria (post 115651) thought that the victim cache might be affecting performance. Basically, there is penalty for breaking the "L2=4*L1 rule," but I'd hardly call the results a "dog." (Dan, I realize you made the same point.) Anyway, I love my dog, and I'll love TBird when I see the results of lower cost and higher performance on AMD's profits. Petz