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To: one_less who wrote (81856)	6/16/2000 1:50:00 AM
From: epicure	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 108807

I don't know what context to PUT your comment into. There is no easy, safe, and cheap way to kill people in a society that attempts to protect the innocent. I do not know where you get the idea I think it is uncool to place restrictions on people though. I think prisoners should be much more restricted than they are now. Especially very violent prisoners. I don't think very violent people should be allowed to mix with anyone. They should live out their days in solitude and be allowed books, access to religious instruction and nourishing but plain food, and nothing else. I think drugs should be decriminalized thus freeing up enormous penal resources for the really violent criminals. I think white collar criminals should work off their debt to society through weeks, months or years of community service- putting them in prison is simply too much of a waste. Let them work in the inner cities teaching at risk children to read, teaching inner city kids with learning disabilities- for there are a disproportionate number of men in our prison systems that have learning disabilities. Violence is rarely a very good answer and killing people by action of the state is violent- whether you hang them, or shoot them, or fry them, or give them a lethal injection.. It is always better (imo) to try to prevent the need to use violence than to try to figure out how to use it "right".

To: one_less who wrote (81856)	6/16/2000 1:54:00 AM
From: Dayuhan	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 108807

Can you see the contradictions in that post, or shall I point them out to you? They're pretty obvious. Calm down, take a deep breath, think carefully, and tell us what you are really trying to say.

To: one_less who wrote (81856)	6/16/2000 3:03:00 AM
From: Dayuhan	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 108807

it has become uncool to judge and impose restrictions on persons who are unable to control themselves according to societal standards. We now support the most contemptuous people to live out their wildest fantacies in American institutions. This suggests, as far as I can determine, that prisons have become veritable islands of hedonism, where "contemptuous" people live out their wildest fantasies in a place devoid of judgement or restriction. Many people who went into prison with a fairly remedial problem come out hardened and devient. Many are harmed seriously, even murdered by these people you don't want to take responsibility for. This suggests that prisons are absolutely horrible places, where those confined are either turned into monsters or slaughtered by their fellow prisoners. Is the prison environment too gentle, or is it too harsh? Giving them a life to live in one of our institutions however is taking responsibility for their conditions and those they hurt. Congratulations your own self. Are you suggesting that we kill them all, to spare them the horrors of life in prison? Or that we not send anyone to prison, because prison is so horrible? Or that we kill anyone we think might make prison life horrible? Are you saying that people who reject the killing of prisoners are responsible for the conditions in prisons? If so, do you really think that prison conditions in states where executions are common are any better than prison conditions in states where there are no executions? The more I read your post, the more confusing it gets. I'm honestly not sure how to discuss it, because I'm honestly not sure what it says. I wish you would try to describe, clearly, simply, and dispassionately, what you believe to be the main problems with our penal system and what practical steps you would like to see taken to solve those problems.

To: one_less who wrote (81856)	6/16/2000 7:04:00 AM
From: Ilaine	Respond to of 108807

What do you know about prison except what you've seen on TV and in movies? I have been inside several prisons, as a lawyer, because I used to do criminal defense. They aren't places for people to live out wild fantasies. Given that some percentage are homosexual, they may enjoy homosexual intercourse, but most men aren't homosexual. The prisoners eat breakfast, lunch and dinner, they watch TV, they read, they may work out in exercise rooms, they may have some form of employment. Not very thrilling, IMO. They're government institutions, bland, oatmeal colored or green walls, tiny windows, the smell of all the prisoners has permeated everything. Nobody in their right mind wants to go to prison.