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Politics : PRESIDENT GEORGE W. BUSH -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Neocon who wrote (20923)	6/17/2000 11:20:00 PM
From: Red Heeler	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 769670

Too bad you didn't read your post of Jeff Davis' farewell speech. Perhaps you'll take the time to read this portion now: "I hope none who hear me will confound this expression of mine with the advocacy of the right of a State to remain in the Union, and to disregard its constitutional obligations by the nullification of the law. Such is not my theory. Nullification and secession, so often confounded, are indeed antagonistic principles. Nullification is a remedy which it is sought to apply within the Union, and against the agent of the States. It is only to be justified when the agent has violated his constitutional obligation, and a State, assuming to judge for itself, denies the right of the agent thus to act, and appeals to the other States of the Union for a decision; but when the States themselves, and when the people of the States, have so acted as to convince us that they will not regard our constitutional rights, then, and then for the first time, arises the doctrine of secession in its practical application. A great man who now reposes with his fathers, and who has been often arraigned for a want of fealty to the Union, advocated the doctrine of nullification, because it preserved the Union. It was because of his deep-seated attachment to the Union, his determination to find some remedy for existing ills short of a severance of the ties which bound South Carolina to the other States, that Mr. [John C.] Calhoun advocated the doctrine of nullification, which he proclaimed to be peaceful, to be within the limits of State power, not to disturb the Union, but only to be a means of bringing the agent before the tribunal of the States for their judgment. Secession belongs to a different class of remedies. It is to be justified upon the basis that the States are sovereign. There was a time when none denied it. I hope the time may come again, when a better comprehension of the theory of our Government, and the inalienable rights of the people of the States, will prevent any one from denying that each State is a sovereign, and thus may reclaim the grants which it has made to any agent whomsoever." Every State had the right of secession according to the Constitution. <Lincoln kept the Union together> Lincoln kept the union together by illegally imprisoning those who opposed him, by illegally censoring the press, and by illegally waging war without the permission of Congress. Who did I smear - Abe? How did I smear him, by pointing out the truth by quoting him? Then smear him I will without apology. I'll tell you the reason non-slaveholders fought in that war, Sherlock, and I'll paraphrase a captured Confederate soldier to do it. When asked by his captors why he, an obvious non-slaveholder, was fighting in the war he replied, "Because y'all are down here." <There is no legal mechanism to secede from the Union in the Constitution, from which I infer that secession was not legal.> You are absolutely 100% incorrect, sir! <Nor was it moral, as it plunged the nation into war> Lincoln plunged the Republic into war by denying the States their fundamental right of secession and then declaring war upon them. And as far as slavery is concerned, since you're so bold as to infer, I infer that slavery was dying of its own accord and would not have lasted for more than a few years war or no war. I further infer that the Confederate States would have reunited with the Republic of their own accord if they had not been interfered with. And if they hadn't we'd have turned out just fine without the likes of you. And I'd advise you to refrain from saying what you said about R. E. Lee to the face of a Southerner, you dopey smart-assed, poltroon of a yankee (now, that's a smear). CC Don't turn your back on the plaque.