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To: crazyoldman who wrote (116819)	6/21/2000 12:04:00 AM
From: Elmer	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1571313

Re: "To put it bluntly, YES. Intel has become the "I've fallen and I can't get my production up" company." Ok, welcome to my "idiot" list. EP

To: crazyoldman who wrote (116819)	6/21/2000 12:11:00 AM
From: DRBES	Respond to of 1571313

You know...the Duron at 25% faster performance than a celeroN is as fast or faster than a piiI, clock for clock...you do not suppose that AMD may be doing to inteL what inteL tried to do to....NAW!!!!! Regards, DARBES

To: crazyoldman who wrote (116819)	6/21/2000 11:56:00 AM
From: pgerassi	Respond to of 1571313

Dear Crazyoldman: I think that the score sounds reasonable. Remember that Intel designed Williamette to scale MHz wise. I said that the Willie's FPU is single issue. Even Intel claims that to get real performance benefits requires the use of SSE2. Given that all P3, P2, and Celerons have dual issue FPUs, it is not unreasonable to expect that a single issue FPU could get about 66% to 70% of performance clock to clock. Al the benchmark is saying is that Willie must have about 40% to 50% higher clock rate than P3 to have the same FPU scores. Thus using only x87 instructions, P4 (Willie) at 1.5GHz will only match P3 at 1GHz or Athlon at 650MHz. Using SSE2 will only provide about a 50% boost so that P4, will match a P3 at 1.5GHz or an Athlon at 1Ghz. This will be a real test of the MHz sells approach. I believe that at a 50% difference in real performance, most customers will not be fooled long by slightly higher MHz numbers. If P4 at 1.5Ghz is 25% slower than Tbird at 1.25Ghz or Mustang at 1.2Ghz, P4 will lose sales to the performance market who, I think, really checks for true speed rather than clock speed. In the low end or low mid-range market, we will see whether MHz sells or if, even the typical customer is smarter than that. It also appears that Intel is trying the same in the low end market as well with Celeron versus Duron. Pete