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To: Tom Clarke who wrote (16725)	6/26/2000 9:50:00 AM
From: goldsnow	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 17770

the teams from these 'backward' countries play a much more sophisticated style of soccer >>> Much more sophisticated???!!!! Did you watch Dutch play? We are not talking about Brazil here are we? <ggg>

To: Tom Clarke who wrote (16725)	6/27/2000 3:43:00 AM
From: GUSTAVE JAEGER	Respond to of 17770

LOL! Frankly, Charles, Larry Vukovich (the author of the article you've brought us) should have known better.... Sure, there's hooliganism in the UK, France (PSG), the Netherlands, Germany --and even in ITALY, btw (Fascist Lazio)-- but, so far, this ethnic/chauvinist violence has been contained within the soccer world. The hatred of soccer fans has not yet poured over to the whole society and has not, unlike the Balkans', climaxed in a civil free-for-all. Too bad the Yugos were unable to limit their mutual hatred to the soccer field. Moreover, I'm not sure whether the Balkans and soccer-clubs from Eastern Europe are all free from soccer violence. I seem to remember that incidents did occur over there as well --it's just that the media aren't so eager to report them (no picture, no news). Finally, I think the best way to grasp the phenomenon of soccer violence is to think of it as Europe's "re-invented CARNIVAL". Remember the purpose of Carnival festivities in the Middle Ages: the social hierarchy was put upside down. The plebs were allowed to indulge in brutalities and uncivilities that, in other times, would have called for the death penalty! Today, traditional carnivals don't appeal Europe's urban underclass: they're basically rural squaredom for Japanese tourists.... Accordingly, urban lower- and middle-classes have created a new outlet to give free rein to their social frustrations, namely the soccer game. Soccer has indeed become Europe's post-modern Carnival. Gus.