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To: Father Terrence who wrote (83009)	6/28/2000 9:05:00 AM
From: Ish	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 108807

<<I feel totally disenfranchised, and every dollar taken from me in taxes angers me as most of it is used to support programs I am diametrically opposed to -- >> I get a feeling you ain't all that happy with Ryan's Illinois first program. Doubling plate fees under the guise of fixing the roads and spending the money on parades for homosexuals.

To: Father Terrence who wrote (83009)	6/28/2000 1:18:00 PM
From: Frederick Smart	Respond to of 108807

Terrence..... >>It has survived, but not well. In the process much freedom has been lost. You may feel your views are somewhat represented, but in my case, there is not one candidate running for any major political office that I can agree with, philosophically or politically. I feel totally disenfranchised, and every dollar taken from me in taxes angers me as most of it is used to support programs I am diametrically opposed to -- so I have been forced into the odd position of economically supporting causes and programs that I believe are evil.>> I totally agree with you, except that your last comment which used the word "evil" should not be personalized negatively for it only invites more ditch digging self-justification energy on both sides of this debate. I firmly believe we're past the dog eat dog stage of pointing fingers, assigning blame and keeping track of balancing every quid with every quo. This is nothing other than "dueling black holes" with both sides feeling threatened and cornered by this "right vs. wrong" "I win, you lose" death/fear trap. I say BS!!! Let's get off our high horses. Imagine climbing a tree. You need to be humble and the higher you go the more humble you have to be for the limbs get weaker and the height more dangerous. But more risk you take the higher you go, the more your perspective of the world changes - from one of being in the trenches to one where you begin to see and appreciate how tiny and insignificant and yet interconnected and reliant we all are upon and to each other. Yes, we have lost a ton of freedom. Why? Because more and more people have been encouraged to take fewer risks and take fewer responsibilities for the rewards to blaming, pointing fingers and "getting" something for nothing has increased over the years. The growth of Government as we know it is, by definition, related to the concomitant decline in personal freedom, responsibility and risk. Government is a black hole. It feeds of the time, trust and money of others. The more distrust, crime and problems that are out there the more reasons it can feel justified to grow, etc. Only we, as individuals, have the individual and collective power to reverse this trend. But we need to do this by example - by taking more risks and becoming more responsible for living out the ideals and values which we all know about "right vs. wrong" living. I'm extremely hopeful and positive about the massive, massive change which the common man and individuals everywhere can have on turning this thing around. I call it "the communitization of the world." The internet is this completely open audit trail which will enable more and more of us to share these ideas and energies which represent these millions of "little points of light" which will illuminate the darkness so that more people can be encouraged to step onto these new roads of service to help and serve others. We don't need government to do these things. We can do it ourselves. All you need is the belief, faith and hope to make it happen, personally and collectively. And money is the last thing on the totem pole in this model. People need more love, more attention, more compassion, more light, more hope. Peace. GO!!

To: Father Terrence who wrote (83009)	6/28/2000 6:04:00 PM
From: Dayuhan	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 108807

there is not one candidate running for any major political office that I can agree with, philosophically or politically. You could run yourself.... I don't agree with any of them either, but that's because I'm a fringe case and the system is never going to represent all of the fringe. Not much we oddballs can do but hope the majority doesn't get too far out of hand, and be willing to move elsewhere if they do. Come to think of it, I guess I've already done that.

To: Father Terrence who wrote (83009)	6/29/2000 5:46:00 PM
From: nihil	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 108807

I think you ought to move somewhere better suited to your desires. You are very unhappy, and disappointed. Yet you do nothing about the situation but bitch, bitch, bitch. I agree that it is pretty hopeless. But seriously, consider moving to New Hampshire. That will be a real improvement over any other state. Alternatively, you might move into the backwoods of Alaska or Montana. Taxpaying is voluntary (as it is anywhere in the US). One of the problems with your position is that you are not very intellectually honest. Try to become more factual in your arguments. Read an occasional book. You seem to like slavery for blacks a lot (one of the outstanding characteristics of the preCivil war US.) Review the arguments for slavery and see if you can make a reasonable argument for us to reintroduce slavery. If we could sell our two million prisoners into slavery (or servitude for a term of years) we could cut taxes. It could be perfectly constitutional. The argument must be very good. Personally, I wouldn't take a slave if you gave me one. Well, maybe a really first class LA crack whore, but I'd have to think about it.