To: Chris land who wrote (30463 ) 6/28/2000 6:43:00 PM From: Thomas C. White Respond to of 39621
Chris,how do you think John Wesley would have been received by most of the posters on these threads, after all we are looking at a man who has faced lynch mobs plenty of times because he made them mad. Wesley obviously was doing something differently from what you have been doing, since he was known to be able to bring tears of joy to the likes of 18th century English coal miners, the roughest and most downtrodden lot imaginable. I suspect he would consider SI to be a cakewalk. It was you who first brought up Wesley. I only followed through with my comments on him, as I am quite familiar with his writing and philosophy. The issue addressed in my post is not one of theology, of Methodism versus another denomination. It is how Wesley said that Methodists, and by implication Christians in general, should act towards others, whether other Christians or non-believers. It was his gentle and joyous bearing and demeanor towards the lowest and least of all people, and the joyous and positive nature of his message to them, that gained him his following. Ummm...remind you of anyone Chris?So many people think they are alright with God because nobody has told them otherwise. So many quote bible scriptures when it suits their purposes but more than likely they have never read the bible in its entirety from cover to cover to see what it's really saying. As has been bruited about here quite enough already, it is not your department to determine who is "alright with God" and who is not. God in his wisdom has not delegated that authority to anyone, but you seem to have taken it upon yourself to usurp it. Nor, last I looked, is it a prerequisite of salvation to have read the whole Bible. I attended a Southern Baptist university, and I knew people from the Baptist Student Union who could recite the entire Synoptic Gospels chapter and verse. And every one of them was officially and certifiably "saved." But some of them were the sorriest excuses for Christians I've ever seen. Why? Because they were chock full of themselves and their faith, puffed up and self-satisfied in their surficial righteousness, and trigger-quick to haughtily condemn the transgressions of others while ignoring their more subtle but equally insidious ones. To the extent that had Christ popped in to a Wednesday night prayer meeting I suspect they would have looked to him more like Pharisees than Christians. John Wesley would probably agree wholeheartedly with my assessment of these types of Christians. From his sermon on Charity: "But consider, meantime, that let us have ever so much faith, and be our faith ever so strong, it will never save us from hell, unless it now save us from all unholy tempers, from pride, passion, impatience; from all arrogance of spirit, all haughtiness and overbearing; from wrath, anger, bitterness; from discontent, murmuring, fretfulness, peevishness. We are of all men most inexcusable, if, having been so frequently guarded against that strong delusion, we still, while we indulge any of these tempers, bless ourselves, and dream we are in the way to heaven!"