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Politics : About that Cuban boy, Elian -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?


To: Machaon who wrote (7865)6/28/2000 7:20:00 PM
From: X Y Zebra  Respond to of 9127
 
It is called "dealing with the devil".

Precisely. "Dealing", does not mean "give away the store" (again), nor shut him off. Yes, Time and circumstances are important. Castro has nothing. The USSR is no longer. This changes the "threat level" what you are after is the Cuban people, Castro is the obstacle, not a threat.

Plain facts? Perhaps in hindsight, but when Chamberlain came back to Britain with a blood soaked peace treaty with Hitler, he was given a hero's welcome.

What peace treaty ?

The Munich Pact was a mere "I bless you for taking what is not yours"

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An agreement to "apeace" a maniac is no peace treaty, it is mearly the desire NOT to acknowledge reality.

Like saying: "I am not poor, I simply do not have any money." *g*

In addition, all Chamberlain had to do was to look at Hitler's own record inside Germany.

Yes, Hitler and Castro was/is murderers. However, Castro does not even have spare parts for 57 Chevy's. Hitler had a war machine already in place.

Of course you can not compare. Not in terms of what the future of the region can be.

How about the current "denial of plain facts to see" regarding Castro. Many Americans want to have a normal relationship with Castro, a brutal dictator!?

No one is denying such. While no one can change the past, the issue is the future, What can Castro do to harm the USA as a "national security risk ? What are the scenarios for an improved relationship with Castro? Do you wish to punish the Cuban people because one evil individual whose power is limited to his island country ? [and even then, it is questionable that his dynasty would survive].

Today, Castro is one of the richest men in the world.

Are you visualizing again ? Or do you have facts to prove that ?

What did he accomplish? Nothing, except keeping his people in poverty and making himself a wealthy man. But, he didn't get wealthy by "playing the US like a fiddle".

Have you ever met a politician-in-training?

Their "wealth-ambition" is sheer pure power. THAT is what he accomplished. Yes, for himself and his close cohorts.

Castro sold Cuba (under his leadership), to the best bidder, in this particular case; the USSR was the highest bidder. The Americans lost in their own backyard.

Along the way, there were several instances, in which Castro was capable of maintaining the US in "check". In particular I remember the time in which Carter had "open some kind of door" to Cuban immigrants... Promptly, Castro sent a bunch of criminals to the USA as "political prisoners". Laughable !!

Maybe the guy is nuts completely, or a tremendous genius.

Even on the "missile crisis". I mean, you have to have some gd-damned big cojones to tell Uncle Sam: "Alright you buster, now my dick is as big as yours is, so you'd better listen to me, or I'll pss on you".

He had to acknowledge that if he carried out the threat, Cuba itself would be fried on the flare of its own rockets.

In retrospect, I am amazed what a bunch of idiots both sides were; I mean the US and the USSR. The level of paranoia that needed to exist to easily dismiss the consequences of a full scale nuclear attack, even on the best case scenario for either side.

They would have been the rulers of a dead planet.

There is proof that we did evolved from the monkeys ! HA, indeed the missing link is the 60's generation! HA HA HA.
[In particular, the military and the politicians].

Timothy McVeigh showed how much damage a couple of nuts can do. Castro has a lot of agents in the U.S.

Surely, you must be joking. You forget. Timothy McVeigh is a good ole US farm boy. No Cuban agent.

As for nuts... the US is full of them, and none of them are Castro agents. You need a sample ?

How about Kasinsky, the Freemen, the Constitutionalists, etc. --a nice group of Montana citizens [with no Hollywood ties *g*]. Not to mention the Idaho neo-nazis, the KuKlux Klanners, some other assorted left-over hippies in the northern California forests... or, how about some Chicano gangs in the LA urban jungle... and of course various Harley Davidson gangs... er excuse me "chapters". *g*

No lack of nuts in the USA.

But, "normalization of relations" means that you have to do deals with the treacherous government in Cuba, who owns everything and makes all the rules. The only way to do this is to have restrictions and safeguards and never to turn our backs on the Cuban government. Not an easy task. It would be easier to have normal relations with a rabid wolf.

You have to start somewhere. The key point is the difference in the times. Today, there is less paranoia, (I think). Let people talk to each other. NO RESTRICTION ON TOURISM.

No one in the world wants to be a Communist any more, except for those, like Castro, who receives a direct benefit from being one. --[I love Human nature, egocentric, selfish and always looking after number one].

Communism was a bad dream after eating a rotten Bratwurst. The problem was that too many believed in it, and the Capitalist of the world became paranoiac.

Now that the cat is out of the bag, everyone wants to be a capitalist. So let the process begin. Indeed I think that the process has begun. Elian and his friends will be telling a whole generation in Cuba about the niceties of the US while they were here.

Castro, has simply played very smart against a mighty opponent. In many instances, Castro has simply done similar things to what the US has done worldwide. I will cite the samples of many Latin American leaders --corrupt as can be, who received the assistance of the US. These leaders in turn where as evil as Castro himself, and the US officials knew it.

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Castro's days are numbered. His ideology goes against human nature, as clearly explained by Ivan Boesky: *g*

Greed is all right, by the way I think greed is healthy. You can be greedy and still feel good about yourself.

~ Ivan F. Boesky ~