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To: long-gone who wrote (55469)	6/29/2000 11:08:00 AM
From: Rarebird	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 116763

OT: The great pioneer in Women's Rights, Susan B. Anthony, who thought "failure is impossible", was hated with a passion and widely viewed as Anti-American. The great Americans of Dream and Deed are usually scorned initially.

To: long-gone who wrote (55469)	6/29/2000 5:49:00 PM
From: d:oug	Respond to of 116763

Richard, These saying & quotes & quips like "Remember: freedom is never free!" are a "dime a dozen". Using "a penny for my thoughts" to buy 1 and 1/5, i will supply one to you and charge the 1/5 as overhead lost. You can pay me later, in gold please. Paper or Physical ? I know you will not ask me. To those who say to those like us Richard, "...stop bad mouthing your usa government, as you have freedoms here unique and great comparied to others." i will reply to them that what they think they see is not really there in spirit, but only through force. Example: Only one, the most important one, is needed. We tell them that we are exercising our rights to free speech. They tell us that we already have it, so WHY complain. We tell them that its the required way to KEEP it. They look at us and roll their eyes, they see us as idiots, they see us as fighting "the natural order of things", they see as an example Bill Murphy et al of GATA, they see a life in their country of usa or Canada as being presently very good for them and if not so for others, then bad luck toooooo bad. ok, here is my exchange for a penny one cents for one sense. Currently i can badmouth my government local, state and federal. What these folks who question us Richard do not see, what we see, is that existing at the same place as the laws protecting us, like free speech, are those in our government that control our government and makes the laws, that these people would replace free speech with what to them is BETTER, being their version of what is the GOOD. yes, they would remove free speech AND Free Expression like a burning of the nations flag, with Rules & Regulations expressed by Laws and executed thru courts & police so that ALL people will live CORRECTLY as determined by their version. It would take the form of Musical Chairs, as whatever version of thoughts control the government, that version becomes Law. A simple question is to ask why it does not happen today, and the answer is once again that the founding fathers who created this usa created a document of law that can not be changed easily, but requiring many years to obtain the ok from many states to delete or modify or add to that paper created by them. In the above i left out naming the document simply because i do not go there, but only at a place to know of that gives me enough stuff to understand. So, i do not know if it is the Declaration of Independance or the Bill of Rights or other. As i not know but foggy that to change such required a large percentage of state to do so. Whatever, not important, as whats important is not to know facts, but the thoughts that created facts, as in history, know it or repeat it. I am clueless to the nations that fought World War I and even do not know if usa was in it, but i do know what caused a world war to happen. Better to be able to prevent a war that to be able to fight one. Happy Fourth of July! Doug