To: crazyoldman who wrote (118815 ) 7/2/2000 2:07:47 PM From: Tony Viola Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 1578305 Crazy etc., What's this guy trying to say?If you're building your own system for the first time or are generally not accustomed to the rigors of troubleshooting, tweaking, and otherwise manipulating your system, hold off on Athlon processors and their corresponding motherboards for another generation or two. Your best bet for a hands-off, just-make-it-work-so-I-can-play-games system is a Pentium III--but don't bother with RDRAM. Acquire or build a system with the Intel 815E chipset and at least 128MB of SDRAM. gamecenter.com Yeah, I know what you mean. I have a Pentium III 1.0B GHz processor on an i820 board with 128MB PC800 RDRAM and it isn't worth the toilet paper I wipe my ass with! People with P3 700's on 440BX platforms can blow me out of the water with their systems; WTF!!! Intel and Ramass better start putting out a half decent product (that actually will outperform boards that are over two years old), or else my money is going to go to AMD . . . :) THz" What's your point? For every one like that, you could find one like this:messages.yahoo.com Why AMD chips REALLY SUCK... by: CiscoRuinzAll (93/F/Texas Boy) 7/2/00 2:51 am Msg: 103395 of 103401 ...is actually mentioned in the article that you quote: "users that are not accustomed to the rigors of troubleshooting, tweaking, and otherwise manipulating your system, hold off on Athlon processors and their corresponding motherboards" and for that matter even experienced users that don't have the time on their hands that "gamers" obviously do would be well advised IMO to stay away from AMD. I have java applications that an AMD K6 just WOULD NOT run when an Intel chip would. Whether it is the CPU, the memory subsystem or the chipset I have no idea - all I know is that an AMD CPU would not run the JAVA Moneyscope application in Netscape. Repacing the CPU from AMD to Intel and it would. I contacted AMD about this lack of JAVA compatibility and they played dumb. Finally, who cares what gamers think? IYAM the Itanium is poised to blow AMD out of the water anyway in the high-end server market. I would be surprised if gamers made up any more than two percent of the chip market. I know that no sector of the market can be ignored, but in my experience gamers tend to be flaked-out anti-socials anyway that could care less about real computing.