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Politics : About that Cuban boy, Elian -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: greenspirit who wrote (7961)	7/2/2000 5:48:42 PM
From: Lane3	Respond to of 9127

If you want to put words in my mouth to support your notion that I am extreme or something Karen. I'm sure you could find actual thoughts I've expressed to lend some credence to your claim. I didn't mean to put words in your mouth. I ask questions like that when my open-ended questions don't get answered. You said: Karen, if Clinton truly wanted the boy and his father to stay in the United States, he sure did everything in his power to ensure it would never happen. I can't find a way to reconcile that statement with: The courts ruling was not unreasonable. And I stated as much after the ruling. Yes, you did. But we haven't seen you around here for a while. You come back and say that what Clinton did was ensure that his administration sent Elian back to Cuba when all they did was follow the law, so say the courts. At the risk of looking like I'm putting words in your mouth again, what would you have had him do? Tell the INS to throw out the rule book and give the kid asylum? Karen

To: greenspirit who wrote (7961)	7/2/2000 7:05:52 PM
From: George Papadopoulos	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 9127

>Are you saying the INS has the right to blow away people with machine guns they disagree with? Wish they had [note: I am specifally speaking ONLY about the Lazaro family!] >Torture them and dismember them if need be to get a child to his father? Personally, I think the INS should have taken Hannibal Lecter along with them and let him loose to feast on Marispislesis and Lazaro. And I think you are right, Reno and Clinton are in bed with Castro and just wait to see what they are planning next! Elian is with his daddy and away from the cameras those hoodlums shoved in his cute face constantly for over 5 months!

To: greenspirit who wrote (7961)	7/2/2000 7:23:34 PM
From: Lane3	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 9127

You might find this interesting. Or not. It's a values tool I came upon a long time ago. I claim no expertise in this area. But I found it a lot of fun to do and quite useful. I've redone it several times at 4-5 yer intervals. It's called the Rokeach Value Survey Instrument. It has two sets of values, terminal values and instrumental values. What you do is rank order each set of values. The reason I thought it might interest you is to illustrate how you can value many things highly and struggle mightily to choose which you value most. For example, you can wish Elian would stay but still put a higher value on following the law. Here are the values. The Rokeach Value Survey Instrument (1) Terminal values A comfortable life (a prosperous life) An exciting life (a stimulating, active life) A sense of accomplishment (making a contribution) A world of peace (free of war and conflict) A world of beauty (beauty of nature and of the arts) Equality (brotherhood, equal opportunity for all) Family security (taking care of loved ones) Freedom (independence, free choice) Happiness (contentedness) Inner harmony (freedom from inner conflict) Mature love (sexual and spiritual intimacy) National security (protection from attack) Pleasure (an enjoyable life) Salvation (saved, eternal life) Self respect (self-esteem) Social recognition (respect, admiration) True friendship (close companionship) Wisdom (a mature understanding of life) The Rokeach Value Survey Instrument (2) Instrumental Values Ambitious (hard-working, aspiring) Broadminded (open-minded) capable (competent, effective) Cheerful (lighthearted, joyful) Clean (neat,tidy) Courageous (standing up for your believes) Forgiving (willing to pardon others) Helpful (working for the welfare of others) Honest (sincere, truthful) Imaginative (daring, creative) Independent (self-reliant, self-sufficient) Intellecutal (intelligent, reflective) Logical (consistent, rational) Loving (affectionate, tender) Obedient (dutiful, respectful) Polite (courteous, well-mannered) Responsible (dependable, reliable) Self-controlled (restrained self disciplined) To do the instrument you create a matrix for each set of values and place the values both down the left side and across the top. Then you go through it box by box and check those where the value on the left is more important than the value at the top. When you're done, you add the checks across. Whichever value gets the most checks is your highest value. As I said, I've done this several times. The values move around some from time to time, but wisdom always comes out first and salvation last among the terminal values. <g> Give it a try if it piques your interest. Karen