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To: Alan Markoff who wrote (30602)	7/3/2000 8:06:37 PM
From: Jamey	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 39621

Nancy I regret that you passed up the opportunity to give us all a testimony and at least help us to understand how a Messianic Jew worships and believes. You have mentioned in the past that there is a distinction between the name Messianic and Christian and you do not feel comfortable with identifying yourself as a Christian. "Sorry but I have never seen a post I disagree with more than this one. We can just go by the words of Jesus to disprove preterism. Matthew 24 The Lord talking about the end of the age and his second coming. 14 And this gospel of the kingdom will preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come. Was the gospel preached in the whole world and all nations in 70AD? Nancy Nancy, the Gospel was preached to the known world before the era of the Jews was over in 78AD. I'm going to find the passage that says it was later. Realize this; The KNOWN WORLD at that time period was only comprised of the Middle East countries. I am including all Nations such as Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Persian, Greek, and Roman empires. Now its pretty obvious that today, as the world increases to 6 billion or so humans on the planet, less and less people are going to know about the Gospel of Christ. We are far outnumbered today by Muslims, Buddists and others. I will get back to you about the world at that time hearing the Gospel of Christ. I felt a door shut when I read your post. But it wasn't exactly a door, was it? It was your mind shutting to all concepts of Theology because fear and close mindedness told you not to go there. Now, I ask you to please read these 3 Bible verses and explain them. There are hundreds of instances all the way through Revelation that I could show you but it would be a waste if you are not willing to open the mind to discover things that your Mom and Dad, alan and your Messianic preacher NEVER told you. These are three declarations of our Lord respecting the time of His coming, all verses having a firm "Verily I say!" That means the Lord is saying this is important! Listen up! "Verily I say unto you, Ye shall have not gone overthe cities of Israel, til the Son of man be come." Matthew5:28 "1"Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall NOT TASTE of DEATH, til they see the Son of manbe come."Matt: "Verily I say unto you, This GENERATION SHALL NOT PASS, till all these things be fulfilled."Matt: These are a few of the many important truths in God's Holy word that many of the leaders of the Church are afraid to preach because of Creeds of the church. They will suffer much loss, I will promise you that. Whatever is keeping you from finding out the truth of the Word should be cast off like dirty clothing. Pray about it. Jim

To: Alan Markoff who wrote (30602)	7/3/2000 8:06:40 PM
From: Jamey	Respond to of 39621

Nancy I regret that you passed up the opportunity to give us all a testimony and at least help us to understand how a Messianic Jew worships and believes. You have mentioned in the past that there is a distinction between the name Messianic and Christian and you do not feel comfortable with identifying yourself as a Christian. "Sorry but I have never seen a post I disagree with more than this one. We can just go by the words of Jesus to disprove preterism. Matthew 24 The Lord talking about the end of the age and his second coming. 14 And this gospel of the kingdom will preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come. Was the gospel preached in the whole world and all nations in 70AD? Nancy Nancy, the Gospel was preached to the known world before the era of the Jews was over in 78AD. I'm going to find the passage that says it was later. Realize this; The KNOWN WORLD at that time period was only comprised of the Middle East countries. I am including all Nations such as Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Persian, Greek, and Roman empires. Now its pretty obvious that today, as the world increases to 6 billion or so humans on the planet, less and less people are going to know about the Gospel of Christ. We are far outnumbered today by Muslims, Buddists and others. I will get back to you about the world at that time hearing the Gospel of Christ. I felt a door shut when I read your post. But it wasn't exactly a door, was it? It was your mind shutting to all concepts of Theology because fear and close mindedness told you not to go there. Now, I ask you to please read these 3 Bible verses and explain them. There are hundreds of instances all the way through Revelation that I could show you but it would be a waste if you are not willing to open the mind to discover things that your Mom and Dad, alan and your Messianic preacher NEVER told you. These are three declarations of our Lord respecting the time of His coming, all verses having a firm "Verily I say!" That means the Lord is saying this is important! Listen up! "Verily I say unto you, Ye shall have not gone overthe cities of Israel, til the Son of man be come." Matthew5:28 "1"Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall NOT TASTE of DEATH, til they see the Son of manbe come."Matt: "Verily I say unto you, This GENERATION SHALL NOT PASS, till all these things be fulfilled."Matt: These are a few of the many important truths in God's Holy word that many of the leaders of the Church are afraid to preach because of Creeds of the church. They will suffer much loss, I will promise you that. Whatever is keeping you from finding out the truth of the Word should be cast off like dirty clothing. Pray about it. christian-harbor.com Jim

To: Alan Markoff who wrote (30602)	7/3/2000 8:06:42 PM
From: Jamey	Respond to of 39621

Nancy I regret that you passed up the opportunity to give us all a testimony and at least help us to understand how a Messianic Jew worships and believes. You have mentioned in the past that there is a distinction between the name Messianic and Christian and you do not feel comfortable with identifying yourself as a Christian. "Sorry but I have never seen a post I disagree with more than this one. We can just go by the words of Jesus to disprove preterism. Matthew 24 The Lord talking about the end of the age and his second coming. 14 And this gospel of the kingdom will preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come. Was the gospel preached in the whole world and all nations in 70AD? Nancy Nancy, the Gospel was preached to the known world before the era of the Jews was over in 78AD. I'm going to find the passage that says it was later. Realize this; The KNOWN WORLD at that time period was only comprised of the Middle East countries. I am including all Nations such as Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Persian, Greek, and Roman empires. Now its pretty obvious that today, as the world increases to 6 billion or so humans on the planet, less and less people are going to know about the Gospel of Christ. We are far outnumbered today by Muslims, Buddists and others. I will get back to you about the world at that time hearing the Gospel of Christ. I felt a door shut when I read your post. But it wasn't exactly a door, was it? It was your mind shutting to all concepts of Theology because fear and close mindedness told you not to go there. Now, I ask you to please read these 3 Bible verses and explain them. There are hundreds of instances all the way through Revelation that I could show you but it would be a waste if you are not willing to open the mind to discover things that your Mom and Dad, alan and your Messianic preacher NEVER told you. These are three declarations of our Lord respecting the time of His coming, all verses having a firm "Verily I say!" That means the Lord is saying this is important! Listen up! "Verily I say unto you, Ye shall have not gone overthe cities of Israel, til the Son of man be come." Matthew5:28 "1"Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall NOT TASTE of DEATH, til they see the Son of manbe come."Matt: "Verily I say unto you, This GENERATION SHALL NOT PASS, till all these things be fulfilled."Matt: These are a few of the many important truths in God's Holy word that many of the leaders of the Church are afraid to preach because of Creeds of the church. They will suffer much loss, I will promise you that. Whatever is keeping you from finding out the truth of the Word should be cast off like dirty clothing. Pray about it. christian-harbor.com Jim

To: Alan Markoff who wrote (30602)	7/3/2000 8:06:42 PM
From: Jamey	Respond to of 39621

Nancy I regret that you passed up the opportunity to give us all a testimony and at least help us to understand how a Messianic Jew worships and believes. You have mentioned in the past that there is a distinction between the name Messianic and Christian and you do not feel comfortable with identifying yourself as a Christian. "Sorry but I have never seen a post I disagree with more than this one. We can just go by the words of Jesus to disprove preterism. Matthew 24 The Lord talking about the end of the age and his second coming. 14 And this gospel of the kingdom will preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come. Was the gospel preached in the whole world and all nations in 70AD? Nancy Nancy, the Gospel was preached to the known world before the era of the Jews was over in 78AD. I'm going to find the passage that says it was later. Realize this; The KNOWN WORLD at that time period was only comprised of the Middle East countries. I am including all Nations such as Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Persian, Greek, and Roman empires. Now its pretty obvious that today, as the world increases to 6 billion or so humans on the planet, less and less people are going to know about the Gospel of Christ. We are far outnumbered today by Muslims, Buddists and others. I will get back to you about the world at that time hearing the Gospel of Christ. I felt a door shut when I read your post. But it wasn't exactly a door, was it? It was your mind shutting to all concepts of Theology because fear and close mindedness told you not to go there. Now, I ask you to please read these 3 Bible verses and explain them. There are hundreds of instances all the way through Revelation that I could show you but it would be a waste if you are not willing to open the mind to discover things that your Mom and Dad, alan and your Messianic preacher NEVER told you. These are three declarations of our Lord respecting the time of His coming, all verses having a firm "Verily I say!" That means the Lord is saying this is important! Listen up! "Verily I say unto you, Ye shall have not gone overthe cities of Israel, til the Son of man be come." Matthew5:28 "1"Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall NOT TASTE of DEATH, til they see the Son of manbe come."Matt: "Verily I say unto you, This GENERATION SHALL NOT PASS, till all these things be fulfilled."Matt: These are a few of the many important truths in God's Holy word that many of the leaders of the Church are afraid to preach because of Creeds of the church. They will suffer much loss, I will promise you that. Whatever is keeping you from finding out the truth of the Word should be cast off like dirty clothing. Pray about it. christian-harbor.com Jim

To: Alan Markoff who wrote (30602)	7/3/2000 8:06:42 PM
From: Jamey	Respond to of 39621

Nancy I regret that you passed up the opportunity to give us all a testimony and at least help us to understand how a Messianic Jew worships and believes. You have mentioned in the past that there is a distinction between the name Messianic and Christian and you do not feel comfortable with identifying yourself as a Christian. "Sorry but I have never seen a post I disagree with more than this one. We can just go by the words of Jesus to disprove preterism. Matthew 24 The Lord talking about the end of the age and his second coming. 14 And this gospel of the kingdom will preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come. Was the gospel preached in the whole world and all nations in 70AD? Nancy Nancy, the Gospel was preached to the known world before the era of the Jews was over in 78AD. I'm going to find the passage that says it was later. Realize this; The KNOWN WORLD at that time period was only comprised of the Middle East countries. I am including all Nations such as Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Persian, Greek, and Roman empires. Now its pretty obvious that today, as the world increases to 6 billion or so humans on the planet, less and less people are going to know about the Gospel of Christ. We are far outnumbered today by Muslims, Buddists and others. I will get back to you about the world at that time hearing the Gospel of Christ. I felt a door shut when I read your post. But it wasn't exactly a door, was it? It was your mind shutting to all concepts of Theology because fear and close mindedness told you not to go there. Now, I ask you to please read these 3 Bible verses and explain them. There are hundreds of instances all the way through Revelation that I could show you but it would be a waste if you are not willing to open the mind to discover things that your Mom and Dad, alan and your Messianic preacher NEVER told you. These are three declarations of our Lord respecting the time of His coming, all verses having a firm "Verily I say!" That means the Lord is saying this is important! Listen up! "Verily I say unto you, Ye shall have not gone overthe cities of Israel, til the Son of man be come." Matthew5:28 "1"Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall NOT TASTE of DEATH, til they see the Son of manbe come."Matt: "Verily I say unto you, This GENERATION SHALL NOT PASS, till all these things be fulfilled."Matt: These are a few of the many important truths in God's Holy word that many of the leaders of the Church are afraid to preach because of Creeds of the church. They will suffer much loss, I will promise you that. Whatever is keeping you from finding out the truth of the Word should be cast off like dirty clothing. Pray about it. christian-harbor.com Jim

To: Alan Markoff who wrote (30602)	7/3/2000 8:06:42 PM
From: Jamey	Respond to of 39621

Nancy I regret that you passed up the opportunity to give us all a testimony and at least help us to understand how a Messianic Jew worships and believes. You have mentioned in the past that there is a distinction between the name Messianic and Christian and you do not feel comfortable with identifying yourself as a Christian. "Sorry but I have never seen a post I disagree with more than this one. We can just go by the words of Jesus to disprove preterism. Matthew 24 The Lord talking about the end of the age and his second coming. 14 And this gospel of the kingdom will preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come. Was the gospel preached in the whole world and all nations in 70AD? Nancy Nancy, the Gospel was preached to the known world before the era of the Jews was over in 78AD. I'm going to find the passage that says it was later. Realize this; The KNOWN WORLD at that time period was only comprised of the Middle East countries. I am including all Nations such as Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Persian, Greek, and Roman empires. Now its pretty obvious that today, as the world increases to 6 billion or so humans on the planet, less and less people are going to know about the Gospel of Christ. We are far outnumbered today by Muslims, Buddists and others. I will get back to you about the world at that time hearing the Gospel of Christ. I felt a door shut when I read your post. But it wasn't exactly a door, was it? It was your mind shutting to all concepts of Theology because fear and close mindedness told you not to go there. Now, I ask you to please read these 3 Bible verses and explain them. There are hundreds of instances all the way through Revelation that I could show you but it would be a waste if you are not willing to open the mind to discover things that your Mom and Dad, alan and your Messianic preacher NEVER told you. These are three declarations of our Lord respecting the time of His coming, all verses having a firm "Verily I say!" That means the Lord is saying this is important! Listen up! "Verily I say unto you, Ye shall have not gone overthe cities of Israel, til the Son of man be come." Matthew5:28 "1"Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall NOT TASTE of DEATH, til they see the Son of manbe come."Matt: "Verily I say unto you, This GENERATION SHALL NOT PASS, till all these things be fulfilled."Matt: These are a few of the many important truths in God's Holy word that many of the leaders of the Church are afraid to preach because of Creeds of the church. They will suffer much loss, I will promise you that. Whatever is keeping you from finding out the truth of the Word should be cast off like dirty clothing. Pray about it. christian-harbor.com Jim

To: Alan Markoff who wrote (30602)	7/3/2000 8:06:42 PM
From: Jamey	Respond to of 39621

Nancy I regret that you passed up the opportunity to give us all a testimony and at least help us to understand how a Messianic Jew worships and believes. You have mentioned in the past that there is a distinction between the name Messianic and Christian and you do not feel comfortable with identifying yourself as a Christian. "Sorry but I have never seen a post I disagree with more than this one. We can just go by the words of Jesus to disprove preterism. Matthew 24 The Lord talking about the end of the age and his second coming. 14 And this gospel of the kingdom will preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come. Was the gospel preached in the whole world and all nations in 70AD? Nancy Nancy, the Gospel was preached to the known world before the era of the Jews was over in 78AD. I'm going to find the passage that says it was later. Realize this; The KNOWN WORLD at that time period was only comprised of the Middle East countries. I am including all Nations such as Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Persian, Greek, and Roman empires. Now its pretty obvious that today, as the world increases to 6 billion or so humans on the planet, less and less people are going to know about the Gospel of Christ. We are far outnumbered today by Muslims, Buddists and others. I will get back to you about the world at that time hearing the Gospel of Christ. I felt a door shut when I read your post. But it wasn't exactly a door, was it? It was your mind shutting to all concepts of Theology because fear and close mindedness told you not to go there. Now, I ask you to please read these 3 Bible verses and explain them. There are hundreds of instances all the way through Revelation that I could show you but it would be a waste if you are not willing to open the mind to discover things that your Mom and Dad, alan and your Messianic preacher NEVER told you. These are three declarations of our Lord respecting the time of His coming, all verses having a firm "Verily I say!" That means the Lord is saying this is important! Listen up! "Verily I say unto you, Ye shall have not gone overthe cities of Israel, til the Son of man be come." Matthew5:28 "1"Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall NOT TASTE of DEATH, til they see the Son of manbe come."Matt: "Verily I say unto you, This GENERATION SHALL NOT PASS, till all these things be fulfilled."Matt: These are a few of the many important truths in God's Holy word that many of the leaders of the Church are afraid to preach because of Creeds of the church. They will suffer much loss, I will promise you that. Whatever is keeping you from finding out the truth of the Word should be cast off like dirty clothing. Pray about it. christian-harbor.com Jim

To: Alan Markoff who wrote (30602)	7/3/2000 8:06:43 PM
From: Jamey	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 39621

Nancy I regret that you passed up the opportunity to give us all a testimony and at least help us to understand how a Messianic Jew worships and believes. You have mentioned in the past that there is a distinction between the name Messianic and Christian and you do not feel comfortable with identifying yourself as a Christian. "Sorry but I have never seen a post I disagree with more than this one. We can just go by the words of Jesus to disprove preterism. Matthew 24 The Lord talking about the end of the age and his second coming. 14 And this gospel of the kingdom will preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come. Was the gospel preached in the whole world and all nations in 70AD? Nancy Nancy, the Gospel was preached to the known world before the era of the Jews was over in 78AD. I'm going to find the passage that says it was later. Realize this; The KNOWN WORLD at that time period was only comprised of the Middle East countries. I am including all Nations such as Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Persian, Greek, and Roman empires. Now its pretty obvious that today, as the world increases to 6 billion or so humans on the planet, less and less people are going to know about the Gospel of Christ. We are far outnumbered today by Muslims, Buddists and others. I will get back to you about the world at that time hearing the Gospel of Christ. I felt a door shut when I read your post. But it wasn't exactly a door, was it? It was your mind shutting to all concepts of Theology because fear and close mindedness told you not to go there. Now, I ask you to please read these 3 Bible verses and explain them. There are hundreds of instances all the way through Revelation that I could show you but it would be a waste if you are not willing to open the mind to discover things that your Mom and Dad, alan and your Messianic preacher NEVER told you. These are three declarations of our Lord respecting the time of His coming, all verses having a firm "Verily I say!" That means the Lord is saying this is important! Listen up! "Verily I say unto you, Ye shall have not gone overthe cities of Israel, til the Son of man be come." Matthew5:28 "1"Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall NOT TASTE of DEATH, til they see the Son of manbe come."Matt: "Verily I say unto you, This GENERATION SHALL NOT PASS, till all these things be fulfilled."Matt: These are a few of the many important truths in God's Holy word that many of the leaders of the Church are afraid to preach because of Creeds of the church. They will suffer much loss, I will promise you that. Whatever is keeping you from finding out the truth of the Word should be cast off like dirty clothing. Pray about it. christian-harbor.com Jim

To: Alan Markoff who wrote (30602)	7/3/2000 8:06:42 PM
From: Jamey	Respond to of 39621

Nancy I regret that you passed up the opportunity to give us all a testimony and at least help us to understand how a Messianic Jew worships and believes. You have mentioned in the past that there is a distinction between the name Messianic and Christian and you do not feel comfortable with identifying yourself as a Christian. "Sorry but I have never seen a post I disagree with more than this one. We can just go by the words of Jesus to disprove preterism. Matthew 24 The Lord talking about the end of the age and his second coming. 14 And this gospel of the kingdom will preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come. Was the gospel preached in the whole world and all nations in 70AD? Nancy Nancy, the Gospel was preached to the known world before the era of the Jews was over in 78AD. I'm going to find the passage that says it was later. Realize this; The KNOWN WORLD at that time period was only comprised of the Middle East countries. I am including all Nations such as Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Persian, Greek, and Roman empires. Now its pretty obvious that today, as the world increases to 6 billion or so humans on the planet, less and less people are going to know about the Gospel of Christ. We are far outnumbered today by Muslims, Buddists and others. I will get back to you about the world at that time hearing the Gospel of Christ. I felt a door shut when I read your post. But it wasn't exactly a door, was it? It was your mind shutting to all concepts of Theology because fear and close mindedness told you not to go there. Now, I ask you to please read these 3 Bible verses and explain them. There are hundreds of instances all the way through Revelation that I could show you but it would be a waste if you are not willing to open the mind to discover things that your Mom and Dad, alan and your Messianic preacher NEVER told you. These are three declarations of our Lord respecting the time of His coming, all verses having a firm "Verily I say!" That means the Lord is saying this is important! Listen up! "Verily I say unto you, Ye shall have not gone overthe cities of Israel, til the Son of man be come." Matthew5:28 "1"Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall NOT TASTE of DEATH, til they see the Son of manbe come."Matt: "Verily I say unto you, This GENERATION SHALL NOT PASS, till all these things be fulfilled."Matt: These are a few of the many important truths in God's Holy word that many of the leaders of the Church are afraid to preach because of Creeds of the church. They will suffer much loss, I will promise you that. Whatever is keeping you from finding out the truth of the Word should be cast off like dirty clothing. Pray about it. Jim

To: Alan Markoff who wrote (30602)	7/3/2000 8:09:31 PM
From: Thomas C. White	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 39621

Hello Nancy, One of the best sources for the explanation of the Calvinist doctrine of predestination and the elect is available at the following URL. This is by a well-known 19th century Baptist theologian and preacher, P.H. Mell. It is a loooong read but very well articulated. Mr. Mell was an ardent Calvinist. Many Southern Baptist churches (as well as Reformed churches) at that time preached predestination, although the particulars of Calvinist doctrine are not quite so prevalent among Southern Baptists today as they were 150 years ago. Some churches do not mention it at all, while others make it a central tenet of their message. founders.org The references to Arminianism relate to another Reformation doctrine of the 16th Century, put forth by Jacobus Arminius, conflicting with the Calvinist doctrine that anyone was somehow predestined to go to hell (that is, to be non-elect) and the Calvinist doctrine of "once saved, always saved". Arminianism to some degree formed the basis for Methodism and various other denominations. It emphasizes man's free will, that God respects the existence of free will in man and (by His own choice) does not control everything that has happened and will happen, as pure Calvinism opines. The doctrine of Predestination can easily be misused, and often has been. From the text URL'd above: "Now, God's eternal decree, by which He makes all things in time fixed and sure, is nothing but His eternal plan, by which He governs Himself in His relations towards His creatures. And His works of providence and of grace are but the revealment of that eternal plan and, consequently, of His eternal purpose. Is it true that the elements and all inanimate nature are controlled by Him? Then all their conditions and mutations are foreordained by Him before the beginning of time. Is it true that He rules with as sovereign sway in the moral as in the physical world?- That the hearts of all men are in His hands and that He turns them as the rivers of water are turned? -- Does He send His Spirit to a certain number and no more and convince them of sin, of righteousness, and of judgment? Call them effectually by His grace-regenerate, sanctify, and save them? And does He do all this in accordance with a plan entertained from eternity? Then it follows that they were predestined to this grace according to the purpose of Him who worketh all things after the counsel of His own will. Has moral evil entered into His system, and do wicked men sin against Him, he not paralyzing their faculties nor changing their hearts? And does He leave some, as vessels of wrath, to hardness of heart and blindness of mind that they might be damned? And does all this occur too in accordance with a plan entertained from eternity? Then it follows that from all eternity He decreed for wise purposes to permit the entrance of moral evil into His system to permit men to use the powers He gave them in opposition to His authority; then, it follows that some were before of old (i.e. from eternity), ordained to condemnation (Jude 4). Finally, it follows that the world, in all its physical and moral details, is just as God designed it to be." A basic potential misuse of the doctrine of predestination (to me at least) is to state that God has secret purposes for the world's greatest evils, and that therefore they are somehow "justified" because we as mere mortals cannot know God's ultimate purposes, that at some point the real reason will be known to us. And even that we therefore should not worry about them too much or try to do much about them. In the case of Southern Baptists prior to the Civil War, for example, this line of reasoning was often used to justify slavery. Other potential misuses are the line of reasoning that the Holocaust was somehow "necessary" in order to bring about the formation of the state of Israel for example, that it was just part of God's grand design.