To: Jamey who wrote (30702 ) 7/6/2000 8:51:48 PM From: Thomas C. White Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 39621 James, thanks for the TULIP link. I assume it also works in Dutch <grin>. Actually, this set of five points was the result of the Synod of Dort, after Calvin's death, it is kind of a "quickie" Calvinism, some have thought of it as "ultra-Calvinism" in response to Arminianism: An interesting counter-URL, Calvin's greatest foe in terms of doctrine of Predestination and the Elect, and a progenitor of John Wesley:wesley.nnu.edu As to your take on Preterism, frankly, I myself don't know that I can see my way clear to the idea that the Second Coming has already taken place and we just sort of missed it while we were in the bathroom or something. Admittedly, Matthew 24 in particular is some of the most fiendishly difficult reading in the New Testament. But no matter what else one gets into in terms of debate about how soon Christ or the disciples thought it would take place, whether or not it coincided with the fall of Jerusalem and so on, I myself think this indicates that the Second Coming is not something that anyone would be likely to mistake for anything else: 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other. It simply does not seem to be the kind of thing that only one person would happen on while glancing up at the sky during the battle. Below is an excellent article by Wayne Jackson of the Christian Courier on Matthew 24, although a completely non-Preterist viewpoint. I don't always like Jackson -- among other things, he is a Creationist and believes the La Brea Tar Pits were the result of the Great Flood, which as a former geologist I find a little hard to swallow. Well, very. But he is pretty good when he sticks to purely scriptural issues. I think he does a pretty good exposition here.christiancourier.com