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Politics : About that Cuban boy, Elian -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Lane3 who wrote (8187)	7/7/2000 9:24:25 AM
From: X Y Zebra	Respond to of 9127

This is a largely academic distinction and we've already more than beaten it to death. Ah, but you see, that is precisely the whole raison d'etre of argumentologists... Argue... argue...and argue in circles, never mind plain facts, logic, or reason. Just turn, switch, ignore but continue arguing... It is like... driving on the highway, behind one of those persons who drives in the left lane at a lower speed than the traffic flow... You honk (gently), flick the lights, or turn your directional (hinting for the m..... to move over... But NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO s/he has to drive slow in the damned "fast" lane... Same thing. I just pass them on the right, these days I can smell them way ahead. That is the point at which I make the decision to pass them. [It never takes long]. Zoooooooooommmmmmmm...

To: Lane3 who wrote (8187)	7/7/2000 9:38:44 AM
From: epicure	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 9127

Does a kid in the ghetto with parents (excuse me- probably "a parent") who shoot up and beat him and starve him of proper nutrients have a "free choice"- no not really. Do little kids who are abused by male relatives have a "free choice"? Even in a free society people aren't always "free". And most of us- even without sensational circumstances- do NOT have the kind of free choices we would like. Everyone has choices- it's the consequences that suck- and those can suck everywhere. You don't need to be in Cuba to be between a rock and a hard place. Especially not if your poor and minority in America.

To: Lane3 who wrote (8187)	7/7/2000 11:04:30 AM
From: Machaon	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 9127

<< ... you are free to make a risky choice with potentially horrid consequences. >> You are using the word "free" instead of the word "able". Freedom has a certain, honored meaning that many have died for. ===> Freedom: 1. the condition of being free; the power to act or speak or think without externally imposed restraints 2. immunity from an obligation or duty <=== You trivialize the word free, by playing word games. << This is a largely academic distinction ... >> I would hope that they are not teaching your concept of freedom in schools. << ... and we've already more than beaten it to death. >> Not only beaten, but tortured! <g>