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To: f.simons who wrote (119761)	7/9/2000 11:04:17 AM
From: Joe NYC	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1575361

Frank, Since your "rational place" does not and cannot exist, this whole topic is a waste of time. Would the child's "choice" include choice of language? Diet? Morals? etc, etc. This would be a rational place?? I was about to write the same thing, but you beat me to it. Joe

To: f.simons who wrote (119761)	7/9/2000 11:39:49 AM
From: Bill Jackson	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1575361

Frank, There are truths in what you say as well as errors in logic. As time goes on these barriers are gradually being eliminated. We are moving towards common language at a slow pace, but progress is being made as English gains ground every year and more and more languages go extinct. There are religions that are ways of life versus worship of a supreme being and some of those are gaining. christianity is losing ground all over the world. Another 100 years and it will become a shadow of what it is now. judaism is also getting absorbed. Islam? can it withstand the decline. Not much can be done about where you were born and thsu waht you speak and think due to the group you are born in to, however as education progresses people leave behind many of the primitive aspects of their religion and give it lip service to stay in their social mileue....but they stop going to church, and that tells the tale. Bill

To: f.simons who wrote (119761)	7/9/2000 2:32:47 PM
From: niceguy767	Respond to of 1575361

Hi frank: Re: "Your "rational place" would be total chaos." Comment: We live in a rational and a spiritual universe...In my experience the closest one gets to "oneness" is when the rational and the spiritual are at equilibrium...It is at the interface between rationalism and spiritualism where one finds understanding, wisdom, grace and peace...My limited study of different religions would suggest that such a goal (finding such equilibrium) falls within the objectives of each..My experience with religion and those espousing religious ideals is that many hadn't steeped themselves within the "wisdom literature" upon which these religions were derived before expressing their strongly held beliefs...For example, many Christians and Jews with whom I have entered sometimes heated discussions have not read the Bible which forms the centrepiece of the derived doctrines (i.e Old testament for Jews and Old and New testament for Christians)...In fact many Christian religions (certainly my own)are currently actively attempting to dilute the importance of the scriptures as the major body of wisdom literature from which religious views and doctrines are derived...Personally I think, in the 20th century, too much time is spent attempting to rationalize the sacred literature at the centre of religion of any kind...Just read the sacred literature, at the centre of your religion,from beginning to end, if you can...If one is fortunate enough to find a body of sacred writings (no matter what religion) that speaks to one on a personal level (i.e not an imposed interpretation)one gains insights that are not readily obtained from any other source... It is interesting that there seems to be an inverse relationship in our society between the reliance on drug usage and the reduction in reliance on the our sacred writings in attempt to find that place at the interface of the spiritual and the rational where equilibrium exists, where one finds understanding, wisdom, grace and peace!!!