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To: Robert E. Hall who wrote (30909)7/9/2000 11:49:57 PM
From: haqihana  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 39621
 
R.H., I don't think the thread that the argument took place on, still exists. At the time, I was a coffee shopper, and had access to only a few threads. I know what I read. I also have noted a certain thread in your kind of theology that does not coincide with mine. Think whatever you like about Emile, and I will believe the words I read. If you call an opinion, slander, so be it. I am not known to lie, and am not doing so now. Romans 10:9 is my take on treatment of the Jews. You and Chris think otherwise. Anyone, who does not repent and take Jesus as their Lord and Savior, will not enter the Kingdom of God, regardless of their ethnic, or racial, background. If you are going to criticize people for not accepting Christ, criticize all of them equally, and do not concentrate on one particular group. Matthew 15:24;..."I was sent only to help the people of Israel-God's lost sheep-not gentiles." In case you are wondering, I am not a Jew, but have no reason to hate them. This, of course, was changed according to the Gospel of Paul, because of the many Jews that did not follow Him at that time, but never the less, that was His primary purpose, spoken by Him.

I have business to catch up on before bedtime, and will not post again until sometime tomorrow. BTW, I look forward to your evidence that he did not say what I read. ~H~



To: Robert E. Hall who wrote (30909)7/10/2000 1:10:12 AM
From: Emile Vidrine  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 39621
 
Thanks my brother for your kind words. I never spoke those words and haqi knows it. When I punched in my name, I noticed that this same haqi was calling me a "fool" to try to win the favors of TB on another tread. His false accusations seem to be a pattern. I guess haqi has not yet read in the Scriptures where a Christian should not call another man a fool. We are to have patience and extreme longsuffering with younger Christians. For the glory of Christ and for the good of haqi, we must forgive him. Think of the suffering of Christ. He endured the hatred, slander and ridicule of those he loved even while He died for their sins on the cross.
When he was falsely accused, he often did not answer. How much more should we endure the abuses of men for a season if we are to glorify God and edify men. How often I forget or neglect these words. We are very weak vessels.

I'm very happy to see that you, James(Santiago), and Chris are still fighting the good fight of faith. A warm greeting to all and may the Lord complete the work that he has begun in your lives. We must all have much patience and allow the words that God gives us to speak to take root in the hearts of the hearers. We have kinship with all men in the flesh, but a far greater kinship to the children of God in Christ.
The kinship in Christ is for eternity while the kinship of the flesh is only for a season.

God has given us the ability to communicate with words and language so that we can share the thoughts of our hearts with others--the spirit communicating with the spirit of others. What a great gift God has given us. We must use this gift wisely. The gift of words and language should only be for the glorification of God and the edification of men. When we use words in any other way, we are misusing them. I have so often violated this clear principle from the Word of God. Glorification of God and edification of man.

If the words we speak come from God, they will achieve there purpose in those for which God has chosen the words. The reprobates will not hear.

My duties have made it almost impossible for me to participate on this thread as much as I would like.
I hope to try and get here more often.

May the fellowship of the Holy Spirit, the love of God and the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you now and forever.

Emile



To: Robert E. Hall who wrote (30909)7/10/2000 1:46:04 AM
From: Emile Vidrine  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 39621
 
Death and Life are in the power of the Tongue. Prov. 18. 21.

Section I. Of the Use of Speech.



MAN at his first creation was substituted by God as his Viceregent, to receive the homage, and
enjoy the services of all inferior beings: nay, farther was endowed with excellencies fit to maintain the
port of so vast an Empire. Yet those very excellencies, as they qualified him for dominion, so they
unfitted him for satisfaction or acquiescence in those his vassals: the dignity of his nature set him
above the society or converse of mere animals; so that in all the pomp of his royalty, amidst all the
throng and variety of creatures, he still remained solitary. But God who knew what an appetite of
society he had implanted in him, judged this no agreeable state for him, It is not meet that man should
be alone. Gen. 2. 18. And as in the universal frame of nature, he engrafted such an abhorrence of
vacuity, that all creatures do rather submit to a preternatural motion than admit it, so, in this empty,
this destitute condition of man, he relieved him by a miraculous expedient, divided him that he might
unite him, and made one part of him an associate for the other.

2. NEITHER did God take this care to provide him a companion, merely for the intercourses of
Sense: had that been the sole aim, there needed no new productions, there were sensitive creatures
enough: the design was to entertain his nobler principle, his reason, with a more equal converse,
assign him an intimate, whose intellect as much corresponded with his, as did the outward form,
whose heart, according to Solomon's resemblance, answered his, As in water face answers face,
Prov. 27. 19. with whom he might communicate minds, traffic and interchange all the notions and
sentiments of a reasonable soul.

3. BUT though there were this sympathy in their sublimer part which disposed them to a most
intimate union; yet there was a cloud of flesh in the way which intercepted their mutual view, nay,
permitted no intelligence between them, other than by the mediation of some Organ equally
commensurate to soul and body. And to this purpose the infinite wisdom of God ordained Speech;
which as it is a sound resulting from the modulation of the Air, has most affinity to the spirit, but as it
is uttered by the Tongue, has immediate cognition with the body, and so is the fittest instrument to
manage a commerce between the rational yet invisible powers of human souls clothed in flesh.

4. AND as we have reason to admire the excellency of this contrivance, so have we to applaud the
extensiveness of the benefit. From this it is we derive all the advantages of society: without this men
of the nearest neighborhood would have signified no more to each other than the Antipodes now do
to us. All our arts and sciences for the accommodation of this life, had remained only a rude Chaos
in their first matter, had not speech by a mutual comparing of notions ranged them into order. By this
it is we can give one another notice of our wants, and solicit relief; by this we interchange advices,
reproofs, consolations, all the necessary aids of human feebleness. This is that which possesses us of
the most valuable blessing of human life, I mean Friendship, which could no more have been
contracted amongst dumb men, than it can between pictures and statues. Nay, farther to this we
owe in a great degree the interests even of our spiritual being, all the oral, yea, and written revelations
too of God's will: for had there been no language there had been no writing. And though we must not
pronounce how far God might have evidenced himself to mankind by immediate inspiration of every
individual, yet we may safely rest in the Apostle's inference in Rom. 10. 14. How shall they believe
in Him of whom they have not heard, and how shall they hear without a preacher?

5. FROM all these excellent uses of it in respect to man, we may collect another in relation to God,
that is in praising and magnifying his goodness, as for all other effects of his bounty, so particularly
that he hath given us language, and all the consequent advantages of it. This is the just inference of
the son of Syrach in Ecclus. 51. 22. The Lord hath given me a tongue, and I will praise him
therewith. This is the sacrifice which God calls for so often by the Prophets, the Calves of our
Lips, which answers to all the oblations out of the herd, and which the Apostle makes equivalent to
those of the floor and winepress also, Heb. 13. 15. The fruit of our lips, giving thanks to his
name. To this we frequently find the Psalmist exciting both himself and others, Awake up my glory,
I will give thanks unto Thee, O Lord, among the people, and I will sing unto Thee among the
nations. Psa. 57. 9, 10. And O praise the Lord with me, and let us magnify His name together.
Psa. 34. 3. And indeed, whoever observes that excellent magazine of Devotion, the book of Psalms,
shall find that the Lauds make up a very great part of it.

6. BY what hath been said, we may define what are the grand Uses of speech, viz. the glorifying of
God, and the benefiting of men. And this helps us to an infallible test by which to try our words. For
since everything is so far approvable as it answers the end of its being, what part soever of our
discourses agrees not with these primitive ends of speech, will not hold weight in the balance of the
sanctuary. It will therefore nearly concern us to enter upon this scrutiny, to bring our words to this
touchstone: for though in our depraved estimate the Eloquence of Language is more regarded than
the innocence, though we think our words vanish with the breath that utters them, yet they become
records in God's Court, are laid up in his Archives as witnesses either for, or against us: for he who is
truth itself hath told us, that By thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be
condemned. Mat. 12. 37.

Taken from Peter Smircich's" The Government of the Tongue