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To: NightOwl who wrote (120285)	7/14/2000 12:20:19 AM
From: Joe NYC	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1583373

Night Owl, P.S. But thanks for the info. Now can you tell me what AMD will/might do in response to a 400MHz Willy? In one of the presentation, AMD said that the bus can scale up to 200 MHz x 2 or 400 MHz, matching Willy, if needed. Actually, I have heard an argument that Athlon's (theoretical limit of) 200 MHz x 2 is better than Willy's 100 MHz x 4 from performance point of view. Joe

To: NightOwl who wrote (120285)	7/14/2000 1:22:33 AM
From: Petz	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 1583373

night owl, re:<if INTC produces ANY commercial quantities of P4's with a 200MHz fsb they need their heads examined.> I disagree. 200 MHz fsb at 64 bits width has the same throughput as a single RDRAM channel (16 bits) at 800 MHz, and the same throughput as DDR SDRAM at 100 MHz (64 bits x 200 MHz). Petz

To: NightOwl who wrote (120285)	7/14/2000 10:03:53 AM
From: Cirruslvr	Respond to of 1583373

NightOwl - RE: "Don't get me wrong, I am not a RMBS "lvr", but I would have to say that if INTC produces ANY commercial quantities of P4's with a 200MHz fsb they need their heads examined. And I do mean the "heads" of every planning department in the joint. They might as well sue RMBS for false product claims and stock fraud if they go to anything less than a 400MHz frequency on the P4." I don't get why Intel should get mad at RMBS it they stick to a 200MHz fsb... A 200MHz fsb would actually make sense for the Willy platform next year when Intel expects it to hit the mainstream. It has been reported the chipset for McWilly (TM Kapkan) that comes out next year (Tulloch) will have one DRDRAM channel, which means maximum DRDRAM memory bandwidth of 1.6GB/s, which is equal to the bandwidth a 200MHz fsb allows. Intel can keep costs low by doing 200MHz vs. 400MHz since these computers are aimed at the mainstream, not the performance market. "But thanks for the info. Now can you tell me what AMD will/might do in response to a 400MHz Willy?" I don't know. Someone mentioned on this thread once that AMD actually has a slight advantage in that their 266MHz fsb's base clock is 133MHz vs. Willy's 100MHz base clock. I think it was Tench who said not everthing will travel at max speed, so AMD's faster base clock is helpful in some cases. But probably not enough to make up for the difference in overall speeds.