To: Thomas Mercer-Hursh who wrote (27894 ) 7/15/2000 8:20:15 AM From: erickerickson Respond to of 54805 True story about technology being killed (somewhat OT) Thomas: I see you have been around the software block <G>. Personally I'm becoming an STL devotee. It stuns me that we can create what used to be complex applications in very short order. I'd add two things to your excellent post.. 1> Several years ago (3? 4?) I read a white paper about a novel database idea. Essentially, for you propeller heads out there, it removed most joins from a SQL database queries. You could put multiple values in a single column (e.g. many phone numbers in one column) without losing indexing capabilities etc. Anybody really interested in the details feel free to PM me and I'll bore you to death. This reduced the number of tables in a database, reduced complexity, increased flexibility and lots of other good things. I have no idea how it performed on really large databases or in "real world" situations. And I never will. I clicked over to their web site one day and the essential message was: "Our database idea and product has been purchased. We can't tell you who, how much, or anything else. We can't support any of our present customers with any fixes to the current code base. We can't even get at the code. The new owner, since we can't tell you who it is, isn't supporting it either. You're screwed". Well, the last sentence wasn't explicitly stated, but you get the idea. Talk about a stunner! I've been patiently waiting for one of the major vendors to tout a "whiz bang" new database architecture, but haven't heard anything. So, not only is there unintentional ignorance of existing software solutions, they can also be actively buried. I guess that's one way to counter the "new technology" threat. Buy it and bury it. I've got to think that this was actually perceived as a threat, given the above announcement. I'd give a lot for anybody who has more up-to-date information on it. 2> (peripherally related) Even within a fairly small development group (12 people), it takes a surprising amount of time to get everybody to use "the new stuff" (which may, in fact, be old stuff that somebody just found out about). This is after someone in that company has figured out that it's worthwhile. Then, you have to contend with those of us who try to apply whatever the new geeky thing is in totally inappropriate places.... Anyway, enough of that Erick