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To: Jamey who wrote (31034)	7/14/2000 10:26:13 AM
From: O'Hara	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 39621

†...Good morning James...† I trust all is well with you and your family. Regarding your question to Nancy:....BTW Nancy I hope all is well with you and your family also. James,You must be referring to 1 Cor.15:29 I have heard some pretty far out explanations on this....but we all know that no one who is dead can be baptized by proxy....Not even anyone who is alive!...smile:) Proxy just does not do it!!! I would be very interested in hearing your take on that issue. Would you mind? Have a most blessed day Shalom...><>

To: Jamey who wrote (31034)	7/14/2000 12:00:22 PM
From: Thomas C. White	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 39621

Ignoring some of the zanier practices being "baptized for the dead" has caused (such as baptismal intercession for ancestors and so on), I think this is a summary of the strictest scriptural understanding (note, this is from my dog-eared college notes, which are from a Southern Baptist school): Paul learned that there were some believers in Corinth who didn't believe in the resurrection of the dead. (1 Corinthians 15:12). This was actually a pretty common potential schisming among early Christians. In 13 through 19, Paul explains the consequences for believers if Christ is not risen. We see statements such as: If Christ is not risen then our preaching is vain, and your faith is also vain. We are false witnesses because we testified that God resurrected Christ, "whom he raised not up if the dead rise not. If Christ be not raised your faith is vain, you are yet in your sins. Those who have fallen asleep in Christ are perished. If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men most miserable." Paul did not conclude his point this way but went on to say, "but now is Christ risen from the dead and become the first fruits of them that slept." He could be so firm in stating this as fact because of his experience on the road to Damascus which he referred to in 1 Corinthians 15:8. Paul continues to explain the purpose of God in the resurrection of Jesus, even into the future kingdom and beyond, to where God will be everything. Instead of breaking into this complete line of thought about the purposes of God in the resurrection, Paul finishes in verse 28. Then he returns to the argument of the resurrection of the dead of verses 13-19. We can put verses 29 and 30 into the context of verses 15 and 16, and they would then fit perfectly "...if so be that the dead rise not, for if the dead rise not then is not Christ raised. Else what shall they do which are baptized for the dead [Jesus] if the dead rise not at all, why are they then baptized for the dead [Christ]?" Then Paul continues with his discussion about resurrection. Why stand in jeopardy if the dead rise not? Let us eat and drink for tomorrow we die (with no resurrection ). Admittedly, this is one of Paul's more difficult passages and leaves room for various interpretations.