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Politics : About that Cuban boy, Elian -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: greenspirit who wrote (8513)	7/14/2000 3:05:38 AM
From: Dayuhan	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 9127

are you naive enough to believe Fidel Castro would not give drugs to Elian? I don't think he'd hesitate for a moment if he thought there was an advantage to be gained from it. I don't see where the advantage would be, since by the time the doctor was present the media no longer had access to Elian and anything he would say would hardly matter. I don't doubt for a moment that Elian, if asked, would have said that he wanted to return to Miami. I don't doubt for a moment that Elian, if asked, would want to eat ice cream for breakfast, lunch, and dinner. As others have pointed out, it is very easy to bribe a 6-year old, and difficult to explain to him that he would not receive the same kind of attention and favor once the show was over. 6 year olds are not in a position to make long-term decisions about their lives. That's why we let parents do it for them. I am simply giving you my most plausible scenario. I think you base your criteria for plausibility on the assumption that certain actors in the drama wear black hats, twirl their moustaches, answer to the name "Dick Dastardly", and can always be assumed to have done the most despicable thing imaginable. Life isn't a cartoon.

To: greenspirit who wrote (8513)	7/14/2000 8:12:09 AM
From: Lane3	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 9127

1. The drugs were intended for Elian...seems like the most plausible scenario to me. Michael, I recall responding to you on this before. I thought I was pretty convincing then about how this makes no sense at all. Apparently I wasn't, so I'll try again. I'm too lazy to look it up, but it was at least a few days and maybe a week or more between the time that the INS took Elian and the time the doctor entered the US. The relatives alleged that Elian was being drugged the very day that he was taken from them. Marisleysis kept saying that he looked drugged in the happy pictures. If Elian were drugged on day 1, then someone at Wye already had access to drugs. If they had access to drugs already, why would they need to import them from Cuba by way of the doctor? If they didn't already have drugs at Wye, it makes no sense to start drugging the kid after he had already been there for a few days or a week and been the subject of many happy pictures. Number 2 is the most likely scenario, IMO. Karen

To: greenspirit who wrote (8513)	7/14/2000 9:54:04 AM
From: Rambi	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 9127

Morning, Michael! Well, at least we got the topic off religion and who your sister slept with last night!! DO we get credit for that? I disagree with the first statement about the drugs the doctor was carrying being unusual. I even related a personal story about my physician neighbor who came over when I was ill- talked with my own doctor- and had in his bag several drugs of the tranquilizer and painkiller variety. If a doctor were travelling into another country- I think it's highly likely he would have some of these and many other drugs in his bag. He was there for the entire family- which included adults- not only for Elian. So for me your #2 and 3 are more likely than #1, and I wonder why you think these drugs would NOT be found normally. You may believe it. But it's too much of an assumption for me. Second---re the family---you missed my point!!! REad again what I wrote: How about keeping a boy from his father, making him political fodder for the Cuban exile machine, and leaving him in a household that was showing severe signs of emotional deterioration? Exaggeration? No more than what you just wrote. I didn't claim those things-- i simply made the same leaps from strong possibility to fact that you did re: the doctor. I was using that example to show you how easy it is to make those kind of statements without saying IMO or it is likely or I think or one possibility is... Actually though- the deteriorating family is MUCH more believable to me than the drug thing based on my own observations of the family's behavior - a frequently hysterical Marisleysis, the constant traffic of questionable characters through the home(and Donato IS a questionable character, along with the parade of CANF leaders) and worst of all, and this really is fact,the taping of Elian - that (imo- as a mom and social worker)bordered on coercion and child abuse. As long as we make it clear that these are only the clonclusions we've reached by way of subjective leaps, rather than actual hard facts, I think we're ok because it allows us to argue while admitting that neither of us -- for that matter no one here on earth- has all the answers. But I must go- we are off to Houston to be introduced to CW's robot today!! Have a great one!!