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To: The Philosopher who wrote (83875)	7/14/2000 4:05:38 PM
From: epicure	Respond to of 108807

Since there is controversy about WHO Shakespeare was tracking down any "facts" associated with his birth could be tough to do. As for birth records they are evidence in the legal sense- but are they scientific evidence? No, I do not believe so. And fail to see why you should bring something like that up since it seems completely extraneous. I've never seen scientific experiment set up where such human record keeping "facts" were used. They are another realm and not scientific. They are- really- simply hearsay. Someone tells someone else who they are and who the father of their baby is- and that person writes down this information and dates it- and there you are. Not really reliable. And of no use to science that I can see. Social science can struggle with these things- but their methodologies are different.

To: The Philosopher who wrote (83875)	7/14/2000 5:58:08 PM
From: greenspirit	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 108807

Hello Christopher! I've been enjoying your thoughts this past week. Language is a perplexing problem isn't it? It seems as if what has become the dominate language of our time only produces a partial understanding of our reality. I've read things which cannot be analyzed or explained scientifically referred to as "emergent properties". Emergent properties are properties of the whole. And are the product of the interaction among many elements. Life being the most significant emergent property. They are not experienced by any of the five senses and cannot be measured directly. Love, success, failure and happiness fall into this category. As do morale, sadness and joy. Compatibility between parts and their reinforcing interactions create a synergistic resonance of force. This force generates something greater than each part. Whether people want to believe it or not, religion throughout the world, has been the catalyst upon which this force has been held together and reinforced. And although some people believe the removal of religion from all public places will lead to a better nation and world. The actual outcome could be quite different. Religion has set the framework upon which our nations culture has defined itself. Culture defines the ethical norms of the collective, of which the decision maker is a member. Cultural values act as a default constraint to our decisions when we fail to make decisions ourselves. The problem with religion is the same problem many people have toward other things. If X is good, then more and more of X is better. And on the flip side, others make the false argument that if lots of X is bad, then even a little of X is terrible. I reject both these positions and believe a rational, accepting center can and must be achieved if we are to survive and prosper as a nation and a world. Michael