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To: Elmer who wrote (120339)	7/15/2000 10:57:01 PM
From: Paul Ma	Respond to of 1571855

Elmer, if what you say is true, then why is 3dmax rendering much faster on the Athlon? Why is RC5 cracking faster on the Athlon? Your "no performance advantage" is the most risible and fallacious thing I've heard today. Paul Ma

To: Elmer who wrote (120339)	7/16/2000 4:14:45 AM
From: Scumbria	Respond to of 1571855

Elmer, Athlon performance is limited by a slow L2, and a lack of compiler technology resources. Intel has more people working on PIII compilers than the size of the entire K7 design team. The core logic in K7 is superior than PIII architecturally, and far superior at yielding high MHz parts. Scumbria

To: Elmer who wrote (120339)	7/16/2000 10:18:09 AM
From: hmaly	Respond to of 1571855

Elmer Re...<<<<<<If AMD was telling the truth then just where is the superior performance? EP <<<<<<<<< Elmer here are some links showing superior designs; jc-news.com jc-news.com azillionmonkeys.com Elmer here is two excerpts from that article:<<<On 08/09/99 a flurry of benchmarks disclosures and reviews accompanied AMD's official announcement of general availability of the Athlon processor. With the exception of some unexplicable outliers they all basically say the same thing: Athlon is simply faster than the Pentium !!!, at the same clock rate, and in absolute performance. Shockingly, at the time of release, at the 650Mhz Athlon became the second highest clocked modern CPU available on the market -- beaten only by the Alpha 21264 at 667Mhz. <<<<<< <<<<Taken in total, the number of improved features of the K7 over previous generation processors leaves little doubt that in fact the K7 is truly a 7th generation processor. You don't have to take my word for it though. There are plenty of reviews that show benchmark after benchmark with the K7 absolutely creaming the contemporary P6. So 7th generation it is. <<<<<< <<<http://www.anandtech.com/showdoc.html?i=1252&p=26<<<<<< Here is an excerpt. <<<<Clock for clock the Thunderbird is generally faster than the Pentium III on all of its official platforms (BX, 820, 133A) although in some cases the Thunderbird is edged out by the Pentium III on an 820 + RDRAM setup. If you compare the Thunderbird on a KT133 motherboard to a Pentium III on a VIA 133A motherboard you can see that the Athlon holds a large advantage over the Pentium III, but you can also see that the Athlon is being severely limited by the performance of the KT133 chipset. Compared to the BX and 820 chipsets the VIA 133A definitely lags behind, and since the KT133 is based on the same AGP core and features the same memory controller as the VIA 133A you can expect to see the same subpar performance with that part as well. If you compare the Athlon on a KT133 platform to an overclocked BX133 setup you will truly be able to see how much of a limitation the KT133 chipset is for the Thunderbird. <<<<<< Elmer ; now that I have shown you some of my links, why don't you show us yours, or are you just blowing it out of your a** again.

To: Elmer who wrote (120339)	7/16/2000 10:24:51 AM
From: porn_start878	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1571855

Compare apples with apples; the new ATC on-die cache was a great improvement, the PIII may be based on a 5 year old core, a LOT of optimization were made. So much that I don't feel like the PIIIe is still a sixth generation cpu. If something based on the K7 core still exist in five years then we will be able to compare judiciously. Take the very first Pentium (P5) and put it on a .18 mu process then compare. You'll see. Or compare the Katmai with the Athlon Classic with DDR SDRAM (the only way to really take advantage of the EV6 Bus) then you'll understand why K7 is 7th gen. The sledgehammer will be based on the K7 core, will you consider it to be in the same generation? Max