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Politics : 2000:The Make-or-Break Election -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Bill who wrote (337)	7/17/2000 4:27:45 PM
From: Neocon	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1013

I shouldn't have to point out that because someone is opposed to the death penalty, that does not make him the buddy of murdering scum........

To: Bill who wrote (337)	7/17/2000 4:49:17 PM
From: ztect	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 1013

Death penalty proponents don't recognize how unequal the system works across economic lines for those who can afford their own attorneys, and those who are appointed incompetant public defenders over loaded with cases who fall asleep during their trials. Our judicial system is far from a perfect system, legal protocal and justice doesn't always coincide in a pursuit or demonstration of "truth". "Winning" or "losing" seems to be as important as justice derived from unbiased evidence Protocal works both for and against victims and those wrongly accused The Republican Governor of Illinois was very brave to make the above realizations, rudderless George and Al, for example would rather uphold the wishy washy testimony of someone thirty feet away at night who originally didn't identify the purported assailant through mug shots or a line up. This is also not to forget all those "convicted" by juries, murderers...who were later proven innocent by DNA tests for crimes they couldn't possibly commit. Not until one sits or knows someone falsely accused of anything, can they truly understand that the criminal justice is NOT as it is ideally portrayed on television. My position on the death penalty has changed 180 degrees....becuase of a friend who had to go through the Kafkaesque system we call "justice". Fortunately the lies the police officer told at the preliminary contradicted the lies the police officer told at the trial, and my friend was exonerated though the cop got away with perjury. Fortunately the Republican Governor Ryan of Illinois had the guts to halt executions, which neither the gutless leaderless likes of Gush and Bore could even begin to contemplate without first getting positive opinion poll results before venturing to be 1/10th as bold. z

To: Bill who wrote (337)	7/17/2000 9:51:11 PM
From: Father Terrence	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1013

Not true: I care about the rights of the victims of a murderer AND about the rights of the innocent who are executed in a flawed "justice" system. Do not stereotype or paint with too broad a brush. It is a sign of sloppy thinking. FT