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Politics : About that Cuban boy, Elian -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Bill who wrote (8647)	7/17/2000 5:53:38 PM
From: epicure	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 9127

I SAID pretty clearly that I think true HOMOSEXUALITY (as opposed to bisexuality) is not amenable to encouragement- I don't think you can make children gay or not gay. If they are homosexual they don't NEED encouragement to BE homosexual. You can force gay children to act straight, or "encourage" them to. You can force heterosexual men to "act" gay- in our prison system we have a system set up to do just that. But the "action" isn't who they are" No amount of encouragement can change a strongly defined sexual identity (imo). I also said I would expect my son to give other men head (in response to a nasty Vince question) because I think ALL men want head and most loving relationships whether with men or women involved oral sex. I said I would hope my son would find a loving and stable gay relationship IF he were gay, and do everyhting loving complete people do in a relationship- that isn't encouragement, that is simply loving him the way he needs to be to be a complete person. You can encourage, or suggest, or whatever- that your bisexual children pursue a straight "lifestyle"- ie ACTIONS- since there are people in the world who will kill them or beat them up for "acting" gay. I would mention that to my children. IF they have a choice, if they FEEL they have a choice (and I really don't know if they do- I don't know many bisexuals), straight is more prudent in a world filled with hateful bigots. It isn't "better" it's just safer with hateful people around. I am sure I said that VERY thing just a few posts back. But I would never "encourage" a child to change his actions if I thought that child had purely homosexual fantasies. That is to teach and encourage self loathing- and I would never do that to anyone- except maybe a few of the adults I argue with here- who could perhaps stand a touch more self loathing. I can't make what I said any clearer than that. I've not changed one iota in what I say about this. I've been saying exactly the same thing for years. You really ought to give up following me around trying to trap me. I am remarkably consistent.

To: Bill who wrote (8647)	7/17/2000 5:55:21 PM
From: Rambi	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 9127

Hi Bill, That just isn't what X said. You all are trying so hard to "catch" her and you're going to make yourselves look petty, and I think it's a stupid game. BUt if you insist, then here's X's actual quote from an earlier post- And if my child WAS gay I would encourage them to find the most loving and stable way to pursue that. She did NOT say but not encourage them to be gay if they only had homosexual urges. As for the use of the term encourage, what she says makes sense to me. ONe does not encourage children to become homosexuals, which was the implication of Master's post, because there is not a real choice available. But if your child says he is bi- then there IS a certain choice available and a parent would be remiss not to talk over the pros and cons of the decision, and probably encourage the straight lifestyle choice.