To: Solon who wrote (39 ) 7/18/2000 6:07:54 PM From: ztect Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 28931 Sorry folks the vast majority of this planet's people don't even ascribe to the ontological and theological biases presumed by this thread. Hindu, Buddhists, Taoists, Muslims....Chinese, Indians, Arabians, Japanese, et cetera out numbered all those proselytized to believe in the Orthodox Judaic Christian "god". Even other Christian texts pre-date those that came to form the "new" testament, which were largely excluded for political reasons when Christianity was transformed from a rebellious religion against the Roman State to a religion used by Rome and Justidian in particular to subjugate people into obedience. As for the old testament, what about the other versions of Genesis, that have woman not formed from man, but have man and woman split from an hermaphrodite? Again the suppression of such texts help to reinforce patriarchal rule for even the reading of text in English effects the meaning of words written originally in languages with gender associations. So when defining "God", shall we only limit ourselves to Jehovah...what about Allah, or the pantheons of Greece and Rome, as well as the spirits of the Hopi, plus Vishnu and the gods of the Kojiki amongst many others?? For didn't Diderot and Voltaire note that if god didn't exist man would have to create him? Didn't Spinoza also say that man made God in his image, so that what is determined to be "good" and "bad" is of what is use to man? Whatever power anthropomorphic or not may be, the bottomline is that we have common bonds and spiritual needs not only with our fellow men but also with our fellow creatures and things.... Some need to put a familiar face on a deity, but in reality none of us really can explain any such beings and need to somehow try to extend are very finite abilities to comprehend to give us some semblance of control, organization and order. Then again some of us don't need that need, and can have morality, fellowship, respect and justice, without theism or even a need to reject and be atheistic by just being and not needing explanations or controls. Anyway, sorry for my rambling sacrilegious thoughts. Sort of a "Zen" thing. Enjoy the rest of your discourse. z