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To: Don Lloyd who wrote (5522)7/25/2000 2:10:17 AM
From: IceShark  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 436258
 
No, no no, Don. You are wrong, in my mind anyway. -g- The shareholders are the ownership of the company and they are getting diluted.

By unreported compensation expense. Bigger loss, the company will never be able to pay you a cent so all you have is selling a share to the next guy. But everyone is along on the game, or an idiot, so may as well pay everything in options like amzn tried to do with paying suppliers with shares. Actually, they did it. Where do you put that? In MythLand of expenses?

I'll also bet softie will never pay a nickel to any shareholder, unless someone crashes them down.

We can argue about this till the cows come home, but I have been around long enough to know how the market would react if we were not in a bubble.

Regards



To: Don Lloyd who wrote (5522)7/25/2000 9:22:54 AM
From: LLCF  Respond to of 436258
 
<The argument over the accounting for option expenses is entirely off target. The economic cost for a company as a whole of any type of stock or option grant is ZERO.>

So the economic VALUE of an option grant must be zero... so why don't you grant me some put options on the SPX??

DAK



To: Don Lloyd who wrote (5522)7/25/2000 9:23:56 AM
From: LLCF  Respond to of 436258
 
<The argument over the accounting for option expenses is entirely off target. The economic cost for a company as a whole of any type of stock or option grant is ZERO.>

So the economic VALUE of an option grant must be zero... so why don't you grant me some put options on the SPX??

DAK



To: Don Lloyd who wrote (5522)7/25/2000 10:46:18 AM
From: Mike M2  Read Replies (3) | Respond to of 436258
 
Don, your argument has sound technical merit but the reality is that in many cases is esops enable employers to payfar less in salary expense than would otherwise be the case. My solution report it both ways - the current deceptive method and the full expense method. Mike


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