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To: Clappy who wrote (26608)	7/25/2000 9:33:34 PM
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To: Zeev Hed who wrote (2481) From: unclewest Sunday, Jul 23, 2000 9:23 PM ET Reply # of 2489 They are lucky to compete currently with the Staid Honeywell and similar less imaginative companies hi zeev, actually elon does not compete with honeywell any more... ECHELON WON. i am glad you mentioned honeywell. with 25B in annual worldwide sales, i think we can agree hon is gigantic... they had their own proprietary control system and pushed it hard. it must have been very difficult for them to switch but, now they have capitulated and are switching to elon worldwide to control their systems. in fact i don't think any competition is significant anymore, for the following reasons: elon offers the only complete end to end solution. who wants to mix and match parts that were not necessarily designed to work together? this is even more important....elon has the only single wire, power-line solution...approx 60 or 70% of the lights in north america are single wired. if you want to control them you must use elon. i believe leviton has the elon controllable receptacles already designed and ready to mass produce for 110/120v....220v are in mass production and in use already in europe and asia. i understand your fa and ta point...i can read a chart too and i have told my research group that the 30's even low 30's or high 20's are possible... that is not my point at all...everyone should pick entry points they can live with. my personal technique is to average in, and i have started... my discussion is not about trading elon...heck, i have owned elon as low as 8, may have got some in the 7's just do not recall. what i am suggesting is that elon has won the race. imo they have become the de facto worldwide standard. with major utilities, corporations with proprietary in-house control systems, entire countries, appliance mfrs, industrial contractors, ansi, csco, sunw, et al, all converging on lon-works, i am convinced that elon has won...the tornado has not yet begun, but it is on the horizon. unclewest To: Zeev Hed who wrote (2481) From: unclewest Sunday, Jul 23, 2000 9:23 PM ET Reply # of 2489 They are lucky to compete currently with the Staid Honeywell and similar less imaginative companies hi zeev, actually elon does not compete with honeywell any more... ECHELON WON. i am glad you mentioned honeywell. with 25B in annual worldwide sales, i think we can agree hon is gigantic... they had their own proprietary control system and pushed it hard. it must have been very difficult for them to switch but, now they have capitulated and are switching to elon worldwide to control their systems. in fact i don't think any competition is significant anymore, for the following reasons: elon offers the only complete end to end solution. who wants to mix and match parts that were not necessarily designed to work together? this is even more important....elon has the only single wire, power-line solution...approx 60 or 70% of the lights in north america are single wired. if you want to control them you must use elon. i believe leviton has the elon controllable receptacles already designed and ready to mass produce for 110/120v....220v are in mass production and in use already in europe and asia. i understand your fa and ta point...i can read a chart too and i have told my research group that the 30's even low 30's or high 20's are possible... that is not my point at all...everyone should pick entry points they can live with. my personal technique is to average in, and i have started... my discussion is not about trading elon...heck, i have owned elon as low as 8, may have got some in the 7's just do not recall. what i am suggesting is that elon has won the race. imo they have become the de facto worldwide standard. with major utilities, corporations with proprietary in-house control systems, entire countries, appliance mfrs, industrial contractors, ansi, csco, sunw, et al, all converging on lon-works, i am convinced that elon has won...the tornado has not yet begun, but it is on the horizon. unclewest