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To: Tom Clarke who wrote (16794)7/27/2000 3:53:11 AM
From: GUSTAVE JAEGER  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 17770
 
Re: Vlaams Blok and National Front seem respectable enough.

Where do you draw the line for "respectability"?

a) Before Pat Buchanan's bigotry
b) Before the KKK's racist agenda
c) Before Neo-nazi hatemongers

d) All of the above activists show respectable opinions

Subsidiary question:
As an inveterate churchgoer, did you pray for the Concorde passengers' souls?



To: Tom Clarke who wrote (16794)7/27/2000 5:41:37 AM
From: GUSTAVE JAEGER  Respond to of 17770
 
Re: That they don't get along with AGIR indicates there are differences. The author lumps them together. How much support does AGIR actually have?

AGIR has negligible support. It's basically Wallonia's would-be Vlaams Blok, that is, a retaliatory political faction whose purpose is to foster an "independent" Wallonia in front of an independent Flanders... But Wallonia's first political force still is the Socialist Party and the last European election polls on June 13, 1999 showed that if there's any political shift to be accounted for it's the rise of Ecolo, Wallonia's Green party.

As for the Front National, it's rather an obsolete agenda: its leader, Dr Daniel Féret, still longs for the Belgique de grand-papa, that is, your grandpa's Belgium. The problem is that for a growing majority of Flemings, the very concept of "Belgium" has become an historical quaintness... The king, the queen, the ostentatious parades of Kronprinz Philippe and his fiancée Mathilde don't get more than a lukewarm welcome, even among French-speaking Belgians who have less interest in splitting the country.

All in all, the key issue remains the so-called "integration" of immigrants and European citizens with an alien background. It's a problem of social mobility that pervades Europe's social fabric far beyond the native/alien divide --it's a class warfare altogether.

I think that it partly comes from European elites' anachronistic worldview: they still apprehend the world as it was in 1950... Take the New Economy paradigm for instance: it's a well-known fact that, in the US, the Internet and, previously, the whole software/IT industry bred an entire new generation of entrepreneurs and managers who got propelled into upper bourgeoisie overnight. Actually, it merely shows the high perviousness of the American social fabric towards new entrants and outsiders.

Hence the AOL/TimeWarner bombshell, that is, the takeover of an old, venerable corporate icon like TimeWarner by a business parvenu like Steve Case. In Europe, nobody would ever think of Bertelsmann taken over by, say, French portal Infonie. Same with Amazon.com: Jeff Bezos, a former PizzaHut manager, hijacking the whole US bookstore business! Meanwhile, French editors must comply by the "Prix Unique" regulation.... If a French would-be Jeff Bezos were ever to launch a similar venture in France dozens of "intellectuals", members of the Académie Française and freaked-out booksellers would squall the hell out of it!

That's why the European Internet, instead of being a new level playing field for 20-something whizz-kids, was pathetically turned into the corporate Old Guard's plaything. Here's a case study, as reported in Business Week, European edition / July 31, 2000:

Arnault's Shaky E-empire

Europ@web isn't panning out. What will the luxury mogul do next?


When luxury king Bernard Arnault set up Europe's biggest Internet investment fund last summer, he looked ready to build a powerful empire in cyberspace. By taking stakes in dozens of Web startups, the French tycoon planned to create an integrated group of companies called Europ@web that would rival foreign giants such as Softbank and CMGI Inc. But now, those dreams look as flat as a day-old glass of Moët & Chandon champagne. Several key Europ@web ventures have failed to meet expectations. In late June, Arnault pulled the plug on a planned listing of Europ@web, saying he was considering "strategic alternatives".

[...]Arnault's dilemma underscores how dramatically Europe's Internet landscape has changed in the past few months. As in the U.S., tumbling e-stock prices have dimmed the prospects of Web startups. Over the next few months, analysts say, many such companies will shut down or be snatched up by stronger players.

But unlike the U.S., where onetime startups such as America Online Inc. and Yahoo! Inc. became market leaders, Europe's Internet giants are turning out to be telephone companies. Former monopolies such as Deutsche Telekom and France Telecom run the Continent's dominant Internet service providers (ISPs), while mobile operators such as Vodaphone AirTouch PLC are fast cornering the wireless-Web market. These heavyweights are shopping for smaller companies to expand their content and geographic reach. [snip]
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Such a corporate conservatism extends far beyond the business world, to politics, culture, race relations, sports, whatever. And just as with live organisms, social sclerosis will prevent the body social from keeping up....

Gus.



To: Tom Clarke who wrote (16794)7/28/2000 4:48:12 AM
From: GUSTAVE JAEGER  Respond to of 17770
 
Well, Charley, what about the little quiz in my post #16796?? I've done my best to put it in plain English....

Especially the subsidiary question: did you pray for the souls of the victims of the Concorde crash? --Hey, no sneer intended!! Although I'm a staunch agnostic, I nonetheless do respect other persuasions, including Holy Joes.

Anyway, let me rephrase that last question: WHY DID YOU NOT PRAY AS FERVENTLY FOR THE SOULS OF THOSE 58 CHINESE YOUTHS SUFFOCATED TO DEATH IN THAT DUTCH LORRY??

It's a shame your all-rounder God doesn't give a monkey's about 20-something Chinks, isn't it?? I mean, no mass, no Bach requiem --not even a minute of silence! No funeral visit by high-ranking officials, no more weepie newscast... Here's a reminder though:

Monday, 26 June, 2000, 20:57 GMT 21:57 UK
Half of Dover dead identified

Chinese police will travel to Dover to help with identification


Police say they are close to identifying half of the 58 Chinese illegal immigrants who suffocated in the back of a lorry in Dover.

But detectives from the Kent force say that the 29 victims will be not named until all bodies have been identified and their families contacted.

The officer leading the investigation, Supt Dennis McGookin, said in a statement: "Consultations with the Immigration Service, and the Dutch and Belgium judicial authorities, continue to be of enormous benefit in the identification process."

He added that the arrival of several police officers from the Fujian district of China later in the week would greatly assist them with the task of identification.

Shocked customs officers discovered the mass of bodies - and two survivors - in a sealed lorry container at the port in Kent just before midnight on 18 June.

An inquest heard how an air vent on the side of the metal container was closed during a ferry crossing from Zeebrugge to Dover, causing them to suffocate through a lack of oxygen and build-up of carbon dioxide.

They had banged on the side of the refrigeration unit with their shoes in an unsuccessful plea for help as their air ran out.

Survivors questioned

The two Chinese survivors have been helping Kent Police with their investigations, with the assistance of interpreters.

Officers from the Immigration Service, solicitors representing families who believe their relatives were on the lorry, and their Dutch and Belgian counterparts have also been helping with the identification process.

Belgian police have said they detained a group of illegal immigrants fitting the description of the Dover dead on 16 April and ordered them to leave the country.

Two Chinese people have now been charged with conspiracy to facilitate the immigrants' illegal entry into the UK.

You Yi, a 38-year-old chef from South Woodford, north-east London, and Guo Ying, 29, an interpreter of the same address, were arrested last Tuesday and remanded in custody.

On Friday, the Dutch driver of the lorry, who has been accused of the manslaughter of the 58 immigrants, was also remanded in custody.

Death within hours

At the inquest into the tragedy, coroner's officer Graham Perrin said the 54 men and four women would have died between an hour and a half and five hours after the vent was closed.

He said he was amazed that two men had survived the journey, a result of more air becoming available after the death of each of its occupants.

A police spokeswoman said on Monday that the two survivors had not yet applied for asylum, adding that no decision had been made on what will happen to them.

news.bbc.co.uk