SI
SI
discoversearch

We've detected that you're using an ad content blocking browser plug-in or feature. Ads provide a critical source of revenue to the continued operation of Silicon Investor.  We ask that you disable ad blocking while on Silicon Investor in the best interests of our community.  If you are not using an ad blocker but are still receiving this message, make sure your browser's tracking protection is set to the 'standard' level.
Non-Tech : Meet Gene, a NASDAQ Market Maker -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?


To: Bilow who wrote (156)7/27/2000 10:17:45 PM
From: Bilow  Respond to of 1426
 
Hi all; Some help wanted advertisements for traders (off of a quick google search):

We are looking to hire bright individuals who wish to actively trade equities for the firm's proprietary account. Special consideration will be given to those with GPAs of 3.7 or more. Furthermore, Worldco offers some of the lowest commissions and highest payouts in the industry. Every trader's compensation is based on his or her performance. The firm provides capital to its traders at a level commensurate to their skill and ability.
middlebury.edu

ETG trainees: receive a compensation package when profitable, are allocated a significant share of their trading profits are not required to contribute capital are not responsible for cumulative trading losses.
etgtrade.com

TRADER ASSISTANT/TRAINEE Enter a trainee program as an assistant or an entry-level trader. We are looking for several highly intelligent motivated grads with excellent character and team experience. Candidates should be mathematically inclined, and have a competitive spirit. Series 7 helpful but not required. Please send a cover letter and resume. For additional details, please see the Proprietary Trading section of our website.
onli.com

Also:

Gas Trader
- Minnesota Power, Inc.
- Minneapolis, MN
Performs gas trading and hedging activities. Daily gas portfolio created; maximizes sale revenues, minimizes
costs. Some travel required; possible weekend work.

Power Scheduler
- Dynegy, Inc.
- Houston, TX
Hourly Shift Power Trader

Senior Trader
- Precept Capital Management
- Dallas, TX
Senior Trader for Hedge Fund

-- Carl



To: Bilow who wrote (156)7/27/2000 10:21:50 PM
From: LPS5  Respond to of 1426
 
You're muddying three separate, and very distinctly different careers: the dealer (market maker); the proprietary trader (order entry firm, registered); and the independent daytrader (unregistered, w/own money). While the practice of intraday trading may be - and is - common to all three, the manifestation and business environs of each are typically very different.

Trainee wages, both at [wirehouses] or at...daytrading firm[s] are low, around $12000 per year or so.

Try about three times that at wirehouses, and at any customer daytrading firm that I know of - that's as opposed to proprietary trading firms - there's no pay for trading "trainees." At proprietary (order entry) firms, it's typically about two times the number cited. The payout structure at proprietary shops dictates exactly how, or if, the salary is continued as a trainee advances to being a full, independent trader.

For months the trainee does "gofer" activities for the real traders. At first he is expected to simply adjust to the environment, one typically with large amounts of noise and information. Then he might read the wire news on the loudspeaker, watch for size on an INCA workstation, or provide other services for the traders.

You're describing what a proprietary firm trainee might do - kind of simple, getting-ready-to-trade stuff. On a dealer firm's desk, a trainee would call sales traders, fill out & stamp order tickets, might (if registered) trade some of the smaller issues for the trader he's assigned to, etc, work to resolve breaks and reconcilliation issues, etc. It's a different and more professional mentorship.

If [a daytrader] doesn't like the deal he is getting at the firm he is trading at, he can easily pull up stakes and go to another.

Well, that's partially true. Customer daytraders typically trade for their own profit and loss and pay the firm a commission. They can pick up and leave as they want. Depending upon the firm, proprietary traders (typically because they trade firm capital) often sign a contract whereby they agree not to compete or to trade for a competing firm for some period after they leave their firm of employ. Dealers/mkt makers may be free to leave their positions, or, in the case of higher level managing directors or people running desks employing certain principally-originated strategies, may be contractually bound.

You can expect to keep something like 3/4 your profits (calculated after commissions), with the remainder retained by the firm.

There are more ways to slice bonuses, salaries, and trading profits than there are individuals enjoying them, so suffice it to say that generally: 1) salaries decrease as profitability increases, 2) "cuts" increase as profitability increases, and 3) the amounts "held back" by some firms make traders, even those that are not contractually obligated, stick around.

LPS5