To: Bilow who wrote (156 ) 7/27/2000 10:21:50 PM From: LPS5 Respond to of 1426 You're muddying three separate, and very distinctly different careers: the dealer (market maker); the proprietary trader (order entry firm, registered); and the independent daytrader (unregistered, w/own money). While the practice of intraday trading may be - and is - common to all three, the manifestation and business environs of each are typically very different. Trainee wages, both at [wirehouses] or at...daytrading firm[s] are low, around $12000 per year or so. Try about three times that at wirehouses, and at any customer daytrading firm that I know of - that's as opposed to proprietary trading firms - there's no pay for trading "trainees." At proprietary (order entry) firms, it's typically about two times the number cited. The payout structure at proprietary shops dictates exactly how, or if, the salary is continued as a trainee advances to being a full, independent trader.For months the trainee does "gofer" activities for the real traders. At first he is expected to simply adjust to the environment, one typically with large amounts of noise and information. Then he might read the wire news on the loudspeaker, watch for size on an INCA workstation, or provide other services for the traders. You're describing what a proprietary firm trainee might do - kind of simple, getting-ready-to-trade stuff. On a dealer firm's desk, a trainee would call sales traders, fill out & stamp order tickets, might (if registered) trade some of the smaller issues for the trader he's assigned to, etc, work to resolve breaks and reconcilliation issues, etc. It's a different and more professional mentorship. If [a daytrader] doesn't like the deal he is getting at the firm he is trading at, he can easily pull up stakes and go to another. Well, that's partially true. Customer daytraders typically trade for their own profit and loss and pay the firm a commission. They can pick up and leave as they want. Depending upon the firm, proprietary traders (typically because they trade firm capital) often sign a contract whereby they agree not to compete or to trade for a competing firm for some period after they leave their firm of employ. Dealers/mkt makers may be free to leave their positions, or, in the case of higher level managing directors or people running desks employing certain principally-originated strategies, may be contractually bound.You can expect to keep something like 3/4 your profits (calculated after commissions), with the remainder retained by the firm. There are more ways to slice bonuses, salaries, and trading profits than there are individuals enjoying them, so suffice it to say that generally: 1) salaries decrease as profitability increases, 2) "cuts" increase as profitability increases, and 3) the amounts "held back" by some firms make traders, even those that are not contractually obligated, stick around. LPS5