To: one_less who wrote (84438 ) 7/28/2000 5:53:39 PM From: Frederick Smart Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 108807 Brees.... >>I give up pal. ME ""Trying to define/label forgivenss is like trying to fathom the radiant power of the sun....Do you think God says this? Does the sun shine for some and not for others?"" YOU >>I am fairly certain, that I don't offend the sun. So, no need for the sun to forgive anything before it shines upon me. However, any human being can shine a smile on whom ever they want and it has nothing to do with forgiving others.>> In order to shine that smile you have to forgive yourself so that you have that genuine feeling being happy, wanting to smile, etc. >>I am absolutely certain that my God is not a human; but in any event, God judges and prescribes boundless mercy and forgiveness based in part on the repentence of the perpetrating human being.>> Hey, God is cool. Examples of his love, creativity, tolerance, patience are everywhere. ME >>It's man who refuses to forgive himself and others. Why? Because we are excercising our power of judgment.>> YOU >>Says YOU. I know very forgiving people. They use good judgement to critique and understand their own faults and make commitments to do better as a result. Likewise they bend over backwards to give second, third, etc. to infinity extra chances to people who have wronged them but ask to be given a chance to do better. You discount such virtuousness by denying any meaning to the act of forgiveness while throwing it out as some undefinable abstract that is beyond human comprehension.>> Forgiveness doesn't have to be so confusing, hard and conditionalized. Quid pro quo forgiveness is no forgiveness at all. It's conditional giving, conditional exchanges. "You do this and I'll do that." There's no energy, risk and serendipity in this approach. Love is free, full of serendipity and impossible to define/label and control. For to love you can only trust, risk and act. Nothing I write or say has any real meaning. The more I write the more I miss the mark. Most of these exchanges are simple examples of sharing and risking in a form of open unconditional dialogue. We are surfing, trying to find the perfect wave of light and water to ride for ourselves to share with others. >>While attaching it to every sentence starting with "For." Frankly, that is offensive. GO!!! Do your thing.>> Relax B. Your attacking, defensive reaction is an example of you power of judgment in action. You can cut off me or anyone else from your trust and energy. Even as you feel justified to make a judgment concerning me, you will suffer from this for we are connected to the same source of light and energy. Denying me and others denies yourself. Peace. And, sorry....but.. GO!! >>Done, brees>> ON!! Frederick