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To: Hawkmoon who wrote (56832)	7/31/2000 6:38:06 AM
From: d:oug	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 116950

Ron, Rebuttals to persons who express their opinions using foundations like naive realism, is futile. Modify the above where perception is not a variable, meaning that there is only one correct interpretation, and now twist this incorrectness to fit your cut & paste so that additional incorrectness is added. So now rather than perceive the world and accepting such as is, exactly as it is presented without it containing modificational elements, you perceive the world only when it fits those cuts and pastes you have collected and present to others as proof that you are a learned person ready and willing to help those still at the low end of leaning curve. At best you are like that teacher reading verbatim from a text book and later unable to explain concepts without repeating the same process. But is this relevant to the here and now ? Yesssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss, a.k.a. Yes. Why the citizens of the world need a gold standard. Why the governments of the world can not be trusted. Why fiat/paper/funny/hot money all suck. Ron.A.Time tells this thread that the world economy is too big and global and complex for old ancient failures of horse & buggy money with a backing of value, like gold and silver. Now says Ron "trust governments and their connections to banks and finance to put into place what is good for all citizens of the world." So I say to folks reading this post, here is a long read, but short example, of how Ron cannot use real events, as they do not match his cuts and pastes. While its an easy read, almost common sense, it is correct in a limited way, but did not address why the "what" happened. It does show the end result when people allow others to think for them. Best to think for self and then instruct the government leaders to implement not our wishes, but our instructions. Or you can listen to Ron and accept his cut and pastes, which today is examined by this article. Thanks to the Le Metropole Cafe for this heads up. zolatimes.com The Laissez Faire City Times is a private newspaper. Although it is published by a corporation domiciled within the sovereign domain of Laissez Faire City, it is not an "official organ" of the city or its founding trust. The Rape of Russia by Anne Williamson zolatimes.com Editor's Note The following is Anne Williamson's testimony before the Committee on Banking and Financial Services of the U.S. House of Representatives, presented Sept. 21, 1999. It shows how the historic opportunity given the U.S. to help transform Russia into a free, peaceful, pro-Western country was squandered in the form of a bruising economic rape carried out by corrupt Russian politicians and businessmen, assisted by Bush and (especially) Clinton administrations engaged in political payoffs to Wall Street bankers and others, and by childish ineptitude and greed on the part of the U.S. Treasury and the Harvard Institute for International Development, assisted by fellow travelers and manipulators at Nordex, the IMF, the World Bank, and the Federal Reserve. The losers were the Russian people and U.S. tax-payers. And the winners? Ms. Williamson names names, and that's why the elite media has shut out her book. She indicates their heroes are thieves, and they are afraid she may be right. Zola I should like to add just a few words about myself..... ... land in which today more of the people die each year than are born, lies the gain? History’s yardstick will measure out the answer, and I suspect it will not suit us. The Laissez Faire City Times, Vol 4, No 31, July 31, 2000

To: Hawkmoon who wrote (56832)	7/31/2000 8:02:28 AM
From: long-gone	Respond to of 116950

WOW, and now NAFTA falling apart? Would Clinton have gone after this issue have happened if Fox hadn't been elected(with the help of Dick Morris)? Is Clinton stretching himself thin? If NAFTA crashes & burns can any force prevent inflation & a lower US $? U.S. to File Telecommunication Trade Complaint Against Mexico Xinhua News Agency Friday, July 28, 2000 WASHINGTON - The Clinton administration announced Friday that it will file a trade complaint against Mexico before the World Trade Organization (WTO) as the talks aimed at lowering barriers to competition by U.S. telecommunication companies have broken down. "These barriers adversely affect U.S. interest and deprive Mexican citizens of the benefits of competition," U.S. Trade Representative Charlene Barshefsky said in announcing the U.S. action. The administration said it will file in the next several days a request for consultations with Mexico before the World Trade Organization in Geneva. That request will seek a 60-day consultation period between the two nations. If the issues are still not resolved, the United States would be cleared to file a WTO case against Mexico. Barshefsky said a failure of Mexican authorities to carry through on their promises triggered the administration's decision to begin the process that could result in a WTO case against Mexico. However, Barshefsky said it was still the administration's hope that the telecommunications issues be resolved during the next 60 days of consultations, allowing the administration to drop the action. U.S. telecommunications companies, including AT&T and MCI WorldCom, contend that the Mexican government and Mexico's dominant telephone company, Telmex, have engaged in unfair practices aimed at restricting access by foreign competitors. Barshefsky said that in the case of Mexico, the issues involved high fees charged foreign carriers to connect to Telmex lines, improper rate schedules imposed for international calls and the failure of Mexican authorities to carry through on deregulation of Mexico's telephone market. Copyright XINHUA NEWS AGENCY newsmax.com

To: Hawkmoon who wrote (56832)	8/8/2000 1:17:01 AM
From: long-gone	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 116950

OT(?) the "T" word newsmax.com

To: Hawkmoon who wrote (56832)	3/19/2001 10:20:30 AM
From: long-gone	Respond to of 116950

Yup, NAFTA will fall apart: NAFTA Can Overturn Supreme Court An international panel claims it can overrule the Supreme Court—and the United States, under NAFTA, is obligated to comply. Exclusive to The SPOTLIGHT By James P. Tucker Jr. It may soon be demonstrated, for all to see, that a NAFTA panel is superior to U.S. federal courts. The outcome of The Loewen Group Inc. v. U.S.A. is less important than the fact that it will be decided by the International Center for Settlement of Investment Dis putes—a NAFTA panel. NAFTA, the panel ruled, has jurisdiction over complaints from foreign countries about court decisions in the United States. It also claims jurisdiction over complaints about state and federal administrative agency actions. While the landmark case involves a state court ruling, the panel claims power to overturn U.S. Supreme Court decisions as well. The panel scheduled a hearing Oct. 15 on whether the United States is liable for "damages" caused by a Mississippi jury's verdict against a Canadian company. The Canadians claimed that a hefty appeal bond was an "expropriation." The panel's decision will be final and un appealable except on very limited grounds. Under NAFTA, U.S. courts are com pelled to enforce the panel's decisions. UNBELIEVABLE It "is a very shocking and broad-based decision," Mary Bottari of Public Citizen, a Ralph Nader group based in Washington, told The National Law Journal. "We now have a level of review for the U.S. court system that is above that of the U.S. Supreme Court . . . and it is three international arbitrators who operate in secret and whose decisions cannot be appealed." NAFTA allows foreign investors to escape liability for all sorts of negligent acts, such as deadly manufacturing de fects in automobiles or medical supplies, by transferring a jury's damage awards from the corporation to the U.S. taxpayers, she said. A three-member panel of the Interna tional Center, interpreting Article 1105 of NAFTA, made the ruling on Jan. 5. The panelists are Sir Anthony Mason, L. Yves Fortier and Abner Mikva, a former U.S. circuit judge. The case involves a Canadian corporation's claim that it was victimized by racial and national prejudice on the part of a Mississippi judge, jury and plaintiff's counsel—all of whom are black. The Loewen Group argued that Missis sippi law made it impossible to appeal a $500 million verdict on grounds of discrimination. The requirement for posting 125 percent of a damage award as bond amounts to "illegal expropriation" of a foreign investor's property, the company argued. Loewen argued that it is entitled to protection even though a domestic corporation would have faced the same bond requirement. It is seeking $725 million in damages from the American taxpayers. This establishment of an international court superior to the Supreme Court of the United States or the highest courts in Canada and Mexico is the first of a series of dramatic steps that are designed to establish an American Union similar to the European Union—long on the common agenda of Bilderberg and its brother group, the Trilateral Commission. As NAFTA expands as the Free Trade Area of the Americas to include the entire Western Hemisphere, its 90-man commission is to expand accordingly, evolving into the American Union Parliament. "Dollari zation" is to produce a common currency like the European Union's euro. spotlight.org