To: hueyone who wrote (13460 ) 7/31/2000 8:01:41 PM From: Ausdauer Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 60323 "I suspect the conclusion that SNDK has all the pieces of the puzzle and could easily position itself as a low cost producer in this embedded market segment is not a given. If SNDK were to enter this market, they might end up purchasing the low density controller component from SSTI , just like SSTI is purchasing the high density NAND component of the modules from Samsung and Toshiba." Huey, I respect your opinion on ADC. I would reply as follows... 1) SanDisk is not to shabby when it comes to designing controllers. If they can do it for something as small as MMC I would expect an embedded flash disk would not be an insurmountable task for them. They have a dedicated research center in Israel working on this type of project already for SDMC and MMC. Also, they could either contract out production of this item or pay someone for it. In the past I believe that TI or MOT supplied controllers. I am not sure of the exact status now. I remember Dr. Harari saying that SNDK made a pretty respectable controller already (even though it is not as fast as Lexar Media's product) during the 1999 Shareholders' Meeting. Also, if you look at the engineering talent they have and the R&D expenditures I think you could easily conclude that designing an ATA controller is well within their competency. Having said that, the proposed cooperation with Tower indicates they have an interest in MicroFlash. There was some discussion of MicroFlash's advantages and disadvantages compared to SuperFlash during the recent c.c. As previously posted, MicroFlash will allow more advanced controller designs for SNDK that they may not be capable of currently. I wouldn't count on SanDisk purchasing this type of product from SSTI, although the possibility remains. The smoke signals from the SanDisk camp suggest that Tower Semi and Saifun are more likely future partners. 2) I think it is important to recall that ADC is a mass storage product . The primary component of this is ultra-high density flash . You could argue that SSTI will make a "high margin component" (a controller) that contributes to the function of ADC, but when all is said and done it is the features of the storage component and pricing that will distinguish one product from another (assuming ATA-compatibility is achieved). SSTI could end up taking a bath on the ultra-high density component that would neutralize any advantage of their low cost controller. SanDisk, as a turnkey supplier of each of these core components, still remains a likely candidate as a low cost producer of embedded ATA mass flash storage products. Also, the longstanding OEM relationships with the likes of Canon, Kodak, HP, Nikon,... will help SanDisk get their foot in the door if the trend goes in favor of embedded products over flash cards. 3) I will again ask if anyone has researched whether embedded flash disks with ATA-compatibility utilize SanDisk's IP. The story with FLSH is different as the flash file system is proprietary. I am not sure the same thing can be said for a generic embedded product with disk drive emulation functionality. Has anyone inquired whether ADC will require a licensing of SanDisk's technology similar to SSTI's flash card assortment? Until that question is answered I think any discussion on cost advantages will remain in question.FROM THE ADC PRESS RELEASE: SST’s ADC products provide complete IDE hard disk drive functionality and compatibility in a multi-chip packaged device. The product is ideal for embedded mass data storage applications that require low power and high performance yet at the same time, smaller and more reliable mass storage.The ADC product uses the same proprietary ATA controller technology as SST’s highly acclaimed CompactFlash card products. SST’s ATA controller employs a novel architecture that integrates advanced system-level support critical to mass data storage applications. Ausdauer