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To: Scumbria who wrote (106960)	8/3/2000 9:08:39 PM
From: Gary Ng	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 186894

Scumbria, K6 made huge inroads into Intel's market. It was the platform of choice for gamers. How do you quantify that ? The fundamental principle was correct. Intel moved away from slot 1 for the reasons that Tom cited. I thought it is about Open Socket7(the old one) vs Proprietory Slot 1 rather than a simple Socket vs Slot. 3DNow made AMD very popular among gamers. K6-2 was the platform of choice for gamers for a long time Again, how do you quantify it ? Your criticism of Tom is rather hollow. He has done a good job of providing key information Your defense of Tom also, IMO. He has done a good job of providing key information but buried them in large amount of 'opinions' which seem to be heavily bias against Intel, I would say. gary

To: Scumbria who wrote (106960)	8/3/2000 9:25:42 PM
From: Elmer	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 186894

Re: "Intel moved away from slot 1 for the reasons that Tom cited" Scumbria your nose is growing again. Tom and virtually every other Intel hater at the time claimed Intel introduced the P6 generation transaction based bus protocol simply to lock out AMD. Only recently has it become apparant how superior the P6 bus is. Witness the seamless multiprocessor based systems which have totally taken over the price performance leadership of the server market. The simplicity of Intel's 440 series of chipsets which allow me to type this on my dual processor Celeron system. All Intel processors from Celeron to 2MB L2 Xeons use exactly the same bus interface. None of this would ever have been possible if Intel hadn't made the bold move to get off the old socket7 and open up the future for endless possibilities. Tom was too stupid at the time to see how advanced the bus really was. To this day, AMD still can't even field a 2 way SMP system with their way over hyped and much troubled EV6 CPU-Memory interface. Tom blew it condeming Intel's move and you should know better. EP

To: Scumbria who wrote (106960)	8/4/2000 1:09:48 PM
From: Tenchusatsu	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 186894

Scumbria, <K6 made huge inroads into Intel's market. It was the platform of choice for gamers.> Tom said K6 was going to trounce Pentium II in performance. K6 made inroads only because AMD discovered the new sub-$1000 PC market, which Intel missed. <I don't remember this one. [Tom said absolutely no one will go along with AGP]> Tom thought AGP was yet another attempt by Intel to force a new interface down the collective throats of the industry. He also had the "benchmarks" to show that PCI graphics controllers like Voodoo2 were better than AGP controllers at the time. While he made a few valid points, in the end he was ultimately proven wrong now that AGP is now a universally accepted standard. <The fundamental principle was correct. Intel moved away from slot 1 for the reasons that Tom cited. At the time Tom made his prediction, Intel did not offer a socketed processor, so it was not an option.> This isn't about sockets vs. slots in general. This is about Socket 7 vs. Slot 1 specifically. Tom once again thought this was another attempt by Intel to shove a proprietary standard down the industry's throat. Why force people to Slot 1 when there's a huge established Socket 7 infrastructure, Tom asked. Funny how Tom didn't complain once when AMD moved to Slot A with Athlon. <3DNow made AMD very popular among gamers. K6-2 was the platform of choice for gamers for a long time.> 3DNow ultimately proved to be a failure. When the Mendocino Celeron was released, it soon proved to be faster at games than even K6-2 w/ 3DNow enabled. <Your criticism of Tom is rather hollow.> Well, I guess that all depends on what your definition of "hollow" is, right? ;-) Tenchusatsu