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To: Rick Julian who wrote (84894)	8/4/2000 12:54:13 PM
From: Frederick Smart	Respond to of 108807

Cosmic Butterfly...... >>It may appear I'm a little cosmic butterfly fluttering around the pillars of responsibility (and I'm responsible for that impression) but the reality is that I've got many responsibilities, many long term friendships and business relationships, and am regularly entrusted with projects that have a large bottom line and serious accountability, so I don't feel my philosophy and living responsibly and sensitive the repercussions of my decisions are mutually exclusive. [Big gasping breath]>> Thank you for speaking long wind truth. This has been interesting thread. Tone shift necessary to stop spirit flywheels. Good to meet other butterflies fluttering around "pillors of responsibility." Great spirit want more butterflies to lift us up above river to drop in water. Peace. .

To: Rick Julian who wrote (84894)	8/4/2000 1:16:06 PM
From: Rambi	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 108807

Oh dear, I appear to have unintentionally stepped on many toes. Well, ok, next apology coming up-- I don't think of you as a little cosmic butterfly at all. I know very well that you are a responsible grown up. YOU were the one who was drawing the metaphor and I just fell in with it. You must be forgetting that in my wild youth, I was an itinerant regional actor and back up singer for a rock band. I settled down at 32 to have babies. I know that whatever personal dreams I still have are pursued secondary to my children's lives- that's a commitment I made when I became a parent- and that's ALL I meant by referring to the impact of parenthood. It makes a large change in the equation of decision making, but not the driving forces behind the decisions- as joan pointed out. It seems to me that this whole conflict is over what was the original meaning of pedal to the medal . I don't really think we are disagreeing in essence, only that we are coming from different life angles. And we got too defensive and too extreme: the more conservative feeling that their choices were suspect because they weren't quitting their jobs and writing the Great American Novel, and the more independent among us feeling that they were being accused of being irresponsible. Neither of course is the case. I agree that your philosophy doesn't exclude responsible living!!! By the same token, neither does being a social worker, or a mommy, or an executive exclude freedom of the spirit and joy. I am having such a hard time getting my thoughts across apparently! I don't believe HAPPINESS- imo a much overused and abused concept- hinges on the physical aspects of life. I think what joan was saying about integrity and honor is very vital. But you can have that conflict whether you;re a businessman or an artist. Oh dear- I think I am going to quit. I always regret getting into these interesting discussions.