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To: pgerassi who wrote (107020)	8/4/2000 3:54:56 PM
From: Tony Viola	Read Replies (4) \| Respond to of 186894

Pete, >...that there now exists two reports of 1133 P3s from working at rated speed. Well then, here's a second report that AMD packaging is fragile. Problems with socketed Athlons and Durons could involve a very large percentage of AMD product, and even involve huge RECALLS. The 1.13 GHz PIII, while I hope there is a good explanation for the problems Tom and Kyle saw, is a small percentage of Intel product. I don't see any Intellabees over on the AMD, or the AMD-lite threads pounding this AMD packaging problem up the AMDroids where-the-sun-don't-shine. Why don't you give it up until new evidence emerges??? We have a warning for AMD purchasers. The socketed Athlon and Duron CPUs have turned out to be rather fragile and some heat sinks can damage the CPU. AMD informed us that the mounting position of the AMD CPUs is slightly different and higher than that of the Intel socketed CPUs. When a heat sink designed for a Pentium III is used, it can cause overheating or cracking. Also, even with a properly designed heat sink, repeated mounting and removal can also damage the CPU. In fact, after much testing and swapping of CPUs, we ended up with both a dead Duron 700MHz and a dead Athlon Thunderbird 1GHz. We recommend that all owners of socketed CPUs, AMD, Intel and otherwise, to be very gentle with heat sink installation and make sure you have a heat sink designed for your specific type of CPU. Also, don't fool around too much with installing and removing the CPU as you might damage it. sharkyextreme.com

To: pgerassi who wrote (107020)	8/4/2000 4:07:35 PM
From: JDN	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 186894

Dear Pete: Perhaps you can tell me why my computer is constantly now getting the "Your computer has performed an illegal operation" signal. My computer is about 3 years old, runs on Windows 95. Only has about 4 gb of harddrive but does have 64mb of memory. I used to get this message about maybe once a week now I get it at least once a day. JDN

To: pgerassi who wrote (107020)	8/4/2000 4:09:48 PM
From: semiconeng	Respond to of 186894

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To: pgerassi who wrote (107020)	8/4/2000 5:00:54 PM
From: Tenchusatsu	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 186894

Pete, <AMD is trying the old Intel way, short term pain for long term gain.> That must be why AMD launched the Duron already, despite the fact that no Tier 1 OEM will feature the thing until much later this year. You know, short-term pain of non-acceptance for long-term gain based on "Build it and they will come" attitude. Come on, Pete. AMD has long been the leader in phantom and vapor launches. And they definitely haven't changed their ways despite their successes with Athlon. It's unfortunate that Intel is now doing the same, but the notion that AMD is now "trying the old Intel way" is a bunch of baloney. Tenchusatsu