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To: Tony Viola who wrote (107173)	8/8/2000 11:59:31 AM
From: Rob Young	Respond to of 186894

Tony, "Eric, IBM, HP, Dell and Compaq all have development plans around Itanium. They're not just waiting for McKinley. We'll just have to wait and see how they sell. The article below says Intel will tell customers what they should be using for servers because a lot of them are clueless, using PCs, etc. Of course, the recommendation will always be to use Intel based!" Yep... and the OS of no choice at FRS is Linux (others really aren't ready yet). And when we poke around the various Linux forums we learn of showstoppers in the freeware C compiler! Hot air? Go see for yourself. "Even Ebay was using a non-hot (or even warm) backup system last year, if you remember those infamous outages. I've heard they have learned something about clusters since then. BTW, Intel servers cluster very nicely. Just one more level of support that will be a barrier to entry by any AMD based servers. Not insurmountable, but another barrier nevertheless." Now they have a hot-standby system. That is why their longest downtime hovers around 30-45 minutes. This isn't clustering. What they have done is broken out pieces to minimize their outages. Irony here of course they have more outages. See for yourself: www2.ebay.com "Date: 08/07/00 Time: 21:15:43 PDT * MY EBAY STATUS * My eBay is currently available. The issues causing slowness and intermittent availability of My eBay were resolved, and the feature became available at about 20:30 PT. As always we will continue to carefully monitor the system and will inform you of any changes in its status. Regards, eBay User: aw@ebay.com Date: 08/07/00 Time: 18:33:07 PDT * MY EBAY STATUS * We are currently experiencing slowness and some intermittent availability of My eBay. We are working as quickly as possible to address the issues and will keep you updated as more information becomes available. Until we are able to completely restore My eBay functionality, we want to provide you with some workarounds." Problems out there at eBay are as long as your arm. Many of "us" have been tracking these for months. Bottom Line is: eBay is a very busy site. Maybe the busiest. Their load on the UE10000s is high indeed. From what I understand clustering is not an option due to the serious lock overhead that would be generated. They may have gone to clusters, but I doubt it. From what I recall, their hot-standby went online in Dec. 1999... a quick search they still had a "warm standby" in Sep. 1999. Peak at their hot standby and an actual cutover that didn't go so smooth in December 1999: news.cnet.com Rob

To: Tony Viola who wrote (107173)	8/8/2000 2:48:51 PM
From: EricRR	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 186894

Eric, IBM, HP, Dell and Compaq all have development plans around Itanium. They're not just waiting for McKinley. We'll just have to wait and see how they sell. The article below says Intel will tell customers what they should be using for servers because a lot of them are clueless, using PCs, etc. Of course, the recommendation will always be to use Intel based! Intel announced that it will build Itanium boxes. These companies are likely just slapping their logo on what Intel ships them. Why would an OEM want to develop a custom system for a platform with such low forcasted volumes?

To: Tony Viola who wrote (107173)	8/8/2000 3:09:22 PM
From: Road Walker	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 186894

Tony, There seems to be a direct correlation between the relative performance of AMD and Intel stock, and the number of posts from AMD investors on this thread. If you take the number of points that AMD is down, subtract the number of points Intel is down, and multiply by 5, I think that's about right for the posts on any given day. Cisco this evening, then Dell later this week. A disappointment from either would be bad for techs. John

To: Tony Viola who wrote (107173)	8/8/2000 4:01:53 PM
From: Rob Young	Respond to of 186894

Tony, "Even Ebay was using a non-hot (or even warm) backup system last year, if you remember those infamous outages. I've heard they have learned something about clusters since then. BTW, Intel servers cluster very nicely. Just one more level of support that will be a barrier to entry by any AMD based servers. Not insurmountable, but another barrier nevertheless." Yeah... hot standby. Looks like they are faster on their fire drill: www2.ebay.com "User: aw@ebay.com Date: 08/04/00 Time: 13:33:41 PDT *SYSTEM UPDATE* The eBay site was unavailable today from 12:59 Pacific Time to 13:19 Pacific Time. There was a hardware failure and eBay engineering instituted a transition to our backup system. We apologize for any inconvenience this may have caused. Regards, eBay" --- They are down to 20 minutes on the cutover. Now that is high availability Unix style ! ;-) Page down a bit and read them all. eBay is a real mess of late. Traderag writers are bored of writing about it I suppose. Rob